Concerns about changes to RMDSM

[DlandryTSI]

It has come to my attention that a vast majority of the members of RMDSM are concerned about how things have changed in the last few months. It has come to a point that those individuals are afraid to post on this site in fear of their posts being deleted or having their accounts moved into troll status.

First lets talk about the changes. The first change is the rules. Yes they are more strict but not as strict as NABR or other private boards. RMDSM is a public board, which allows its members to speak freely and make everyone’s posts viewable to the public. The rules we have put in place help protect the site from bogus content, spamming, users that can't spell, and users that refuse to meet other guidelines.

One of the main concerns that have come up is how harsh we are enforcing the rules. I have posted before that ANYONE not typing correctly will have his or her post deleted.

Here is the link if you don't believe me:

http://www.rmdsm.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4016

Perhaps it should have been an annoucement but oh well. In this thread it clearly states that all content on this site is scraped and put into search engines. So I'd expect everyone to follow the rules to help make RMDSM not only look good but also make it a great place for the members.

If you are a member and you choose not to read new topics from the admin team that is your own fault. The rules are placed in the top of each forum and they do apply to everyone.

Now about how the admin team handles issues. There have been some situations that have been out of line and I have dealt with those. If your post violates one of the rules we will edit your post showing that along with which rule(s).

To get into the troll cage takes quite a bit of effort. We don't ban people for their mistakes or screwups. You get trolled. Simply not typing correctly won't get you in. It takes quite a bit more effort than that.

Drama is not tolerated on this site AT ALL. If your goal is to cause an up rise between everyone go to www.coracing.com.

If you feel an admin was out of line speak up but do it over PM. Everyone has access to it so use it :).

We are not out to make enemies. Our goal is to show that everyone here is a professional not only with DSM's but also at what they do.

Now with that being said I will leave this open for comments or concerns.

--Dave

[v413nc3]

Please feel free to post your concerns here without fear of retaliation or retribution, WITHIN LIMITS. We still will not accept people posting here to cause drama, but if you have an honest concern we would like to hear of it.

[hoffman]

Imagine if you will, you go to a garage to get you car worked on. The head mechanic comes out and talks to you in a manner about your car that you can understand. He does not use words too big or too small. He is professional enough and proficient in his job that he can answer your question so that you can understand the reason why he is installing the new parts.

Now imagine the same garage with a mechanic speaking in an accent so think you have no clue what he's saying.

This is the same analogy applied to RMDSM. 99% of the membership here has great thoughts and knowledge about our wonderful cars. But if it is not convied in a manner which we have all been taught since the 1st grade, the meaning is lost. We all understand english here, so lets use it properly so our message is not lost and we end up spending twice the amount of time to say it again.

This also goes with content. I remember the very first post on this forum. It was about intercoolers. It lasted for 4 pages. Now how does it look if a newer member asks about intercoolers almost 3 years later, when his answer is found in a 15 second search of the archive. Again, you have just wasted 5 minutes of your life reiterating something that has now been common knowledge for the past 2 years.

If you have searched, and it doesn't make sense, by all means, ask your question.

It's not asking alot.

[Rodent Buttermonkey]

My biggest concern is the lack of respect that I have seen lately. Threatening to ban a whole county because one member posted multiple times on the same subject is just rediculous. As for the spelling and capitalization issues that have been such a problem lately, I don't feel that it is fair for admins to chastise one member for not capitalizing the beginning of a sentence and then allowing the rest to go without penalty. I understand that the only penalty so far has been a warning. But the warnings are sarcastic. "I swear to God if you guys don't start using the SHIFT key-" is hardly a professional way of handling a problem. Admins make the same mistakes that other members do and I find it silly that the boards are flooding with drama based around a core of similar problems to not capitalizing the letter "I" I used to come to RMDSM to talk and listen to news and stories about other people who share the passion that is DSM. Lately I have just sat back and watched all of this drama being stirred up by mute points on either side of the ball. It shouldn't be Admins Vs Members. In the Admins defense I understand that you guys have to wade through all of these posts and that there are people who come here just to upset the balance of things, I think you do a very good job of keeping the boards free of morons who have nothing better to do than start trouble. But in the defense of members who have been holding a simple conversation on a topic only to find a message from an admin that tells them that they are breaking a rule by not capitalizing a word. Just viewing these forums I want to say that its bull shit because it makes people feel like they are either being threatened or doing something terribly wrong. I know that the no web speak and grammar rules are in place so that members don't have to read a post over and over again to get the full meaning, but at the same time, being harshly warned about a spelling error or short-spelling of a word makes people read their posts over and over again before posting it in fear of messing up. There was a recent post by v413nc3 titled Us "Colorado people" talking about how the Rocky Mountain DSM scene has so much intergirty to it. I think everyone should read it, get along and have fun here on the board. If we wanted to be on a private board we would join one. This is RMDSM and I think we should try to keep it that way.

[evildsmr]

If we wanted to be on a private board we would join one. This is RMDSM and I think we should try to keep it that way.


Agreed! You have just summed up what everyone on this site wants to say in response to this thread. I thank you for taking the time to illustrate our feelings as members. You get 2 smiley faces on your paper!


Josh
93 TSI AWD

[DlandryTSI]

This all goes back to following the rules. I don't warn people for not capitalizing one word. But when its a line like.

"dude i want to buy that part gimme a call my car should be done tomorrow we goin to kill some v8's tonight"

That crap gets old. It also shows a negative image of the site because someone didn't take the time to type his/her post correctly.

Yes the admins have done this in the past but that was when the site was just starting to be scraped for content. We have over 5,000 entries in google referencing RMDSM. Do you want us to be reflected badly upon because a handfull of members made their post look like a bunch of elementary kids?

Is it that much to ask that the members follow the rules that we have put in place?

--Dave

[Rodent Buttermonkey]

Now with that being said I will leave this open for comments or concerns.

I'm almost against replying right now for sake of not arguing anymore. My intent was not to conflict with your views Dave. You left it up for comments and concerns and I said what I felt the need to say. In a large group of people someone is always going to disagree. I have spoken my peace and now I'm done.

[evildsmr]

Do you want us to be reflected badly upon because a handfull of members made their post look like a bunch of elementary kids?


--Dave


Since when did we care about what people think about us? We do what we do here in Colorado. Does knowing what other people out there think about us, make our lives any better? The only thing that is gonna make our lives any better is if we have fair and equal rules between each and every member including admins.... Gotta remember, look out for number 1. No one out there can reflect on what you do. You do what you do therefore that makes you who you are. And we make this board what it is! Thanks!



Josh
93 TSI AWD

[Tofu4G63]

That crap gets old. It also shows a negative image of the site because someone didn't take the time to type his/her post correctly.

Do you want us to be reflected badly upon because a handfull of members made their post look like a bunch of elementary kids?

Is it that much to ask that the members follow the rules that we have put in place?

--Dave


It is not too much to ask for members to follow the rules. I fully support you in not wanting to read non sensical strings of letters. At the same time I do believe that we do not want our board to be regarded as a playground for the uneducated, I believe that we do not want our board to be seen as a place where you can't be respected.

If we are going for a professional appearance I dont see how we are acheiving it by having admins making statements like " I swear to God if you guys don't start using the SHIFT key-" and "If you post a topic in 2 forums again I'll ban you and everyone from your county." I just think this is counteracting professionalism and respect towards non administrative members.

[Rodent Buttermonkey]

If we are going for a professional appearance I dont see how we are acheiving it by having admins making statements like " I swear to God if you guys don't start using the SHIFT key-" and "If you post a topic in 2 forums again I'll ban you and everyone from your county." I just think this is counteracting professionalism and respect towards non administrative members.

Completely agreed.

[Hal]

Since when did we care about what people think about us?

People need to care, because it effects the responses they get (or don't) when they post questions.

If a post is poorly formed (grammar mainly), it is less likely to get an answer from those who care about such things.

If people want to get the most out of RmDSM when asking for help, it is in thier best interest to structure the postings so that they don't irk the people they are seeking help from.

When posting here, you truely will get out of it, what you put into it.

Hal

[hoffman]

I respect your guy's opinions, but I'm not going to appologize for those statements. I meant them.

JohnnyWadd has posted topics in multiple forums in the past. This last one was the one that broke the camel's back.

As far as the "SHIFT key-" bit, when the the Admin repeat over and over again, and it doesn't get across, sometimes you have to make the point very clear.

And you know what, since then there have been no issues.

[BoostedGS]

The sarcastic and humorous statements made by the admins that are pointed out in this discussion, namely " I swear to God if you guys don't start using the SHIFT key-" and "If you post a topic in 2 forums again I'll ban you and everyone from your county" are a light-hearted way of expressing a warning. You see this on many other boards, especially NABR, although it's usually followed by banning someone. We are not that strict and I don't think any of our members want us to be. So take our comments in stride and understand that they are just lighter ways of giving a warning instead of giving a formal one.

[jmakado]

It's not asking alot.
Not to split hairs, but it's "a lot" not "alot".
Now, I am more guilty than ANYONE on the board as far as not capitalizing the first letter in sentances as well as using "i"....It's just that when an idea pops up it just comes out really quick.
P.S. Notice that i capitalized everything in that post?

[Tofu4G63]

Lol..... Look at what Jake has done. Say it with me people sentence. Sentence.

[jmakado]

Lol..... Look at what Jake has done. Say it with me people sentence. Sentence.
Crap......Guilty as charged.
I think this is what people are talking about. The two first threads on the front page are about spelling/grammer.
Bye the way, does this have anything to do with a couple of the admins. getting onto NABR now that it's not private?
I can't help but see the timing and similarity of enforcement.

[hotrod]

My only comment is I would like the edit time out to be longer. Last time I got bit by it, I think it was set at 15 minutes.

Many times I post while at work, and sometimes need to get to other things in the middle of a post. I like to go back and re-read my posts an hour or so later and make sure they are well worded, don't include spell check induced changes in meaning, and include all the necessary caveats etc.


If the edit time out was set to 24 hours that would prevent folks from nuking good content months later, but still allow a useful period for proof reading and consideration for cautions and such that were not, but should have been included during the original post. Follow up clarification posts, tend in my view, to clutter up the flow of the thread too much. Some cautions should be included in close proximity with the task to prevent sometimes serious user errors and in some cases injury.

Other than that I generally like the atmosphere, and even post here in preference to some of the WRX boards when I have certain technical questions.

Larry

[v413nc3]

Larry, we would love nothing more than to give you and everyone else a longer edit window... Except for the fact that we have quite litterally had the same people who come in here to cause drama do it, then edit what they said. It's a fine line. Perhaps we can discuss it and maybe up the edit time a little. Minor issues I doubt we'll look upon poorly. It's more like the glaring problems that we seem to have the biggest problems with. likeiwasoutworkingonmycarandshitiforgottocallyouab outgoingoutsundayohandbobsaidhiandthenifoundiwasle akingcoolantdamncananyonehelpme

Yeah, that's going to get an answer quick, fast and in a hurry. The drama on the board is slowly declining and that is something I can be thankful for. But Hal makes an excelent point, half the time I don't want to answer a question that is asked just because reading the question itself was painful.

Just remember guys, it's a free board for you, but someone has to pay the bill. When it comes right down to it, it just isn't wise to shit in a sandbox that you're allowed to play in for free, because that may become the bathroom stall that costs you a quarter :) All too often you'll find that the boards where you'll get good answers are few and far between, the people there have to answer the same questions year in and year out. Try to help them out so they don't become so grumpy.

[fusionsport]

I have no issue with the grammar and diction rules-
However-
personally I am tired of arties "search" answers to legitimate questions asked by newer or occasional posters- I can see why this site has been "dead" lately and very little actual information is exchanged. I mean pretty much for any question asked I could simply refer people to vfaq.com and be done with it, but in open discussion things are often brought up that can be expanded upon, most often for the good of the community. Simply typing "Search" in answer to any question is pretty much Bullshit and a waste of bandwidth.

[phoenixr2]

Hello!
been lurking/reading the board for quiet some time. ive had a couple dsm's but dont post much here. a few things that come to mind.
-size of the board. for the amount of users you have, you dont need as many forums as there are. once the board becomes more active, more members join, then start to expand. this is one thing I noticed as a problem with my own forum, tried to grow to big without the people to help it.
-activity. not sure on this one, seems like there are quiet a few members but not a lot are on, a lot of it might be time of the year, or the fact of how many local car boards or national ones there are.
-meets. dont know if its "uncool" in the dsm world or what but our car club has meets now and then. we go get lunch, go for a drive, go for pictures, etc. there are TONS AND TONS of dsms these days, id love to have a meet and talk to other owners, check out other cars, see other mods, share information,ideas,etc in person. may be there are meets and I just cant find them, either way it would be good idea.

thats it for me for now, ill remain quite again:)

[Hal]

I have no issue with the grammar and diction rules-
personally I am tired of arties "search" answers to legitimate questions asked by newer or occasional posters.

People should always search before asking. In doing so, they will find the information that has been previously exchanged.

This does two things:

1) It gives them some background for an ongoing discussion of the issues without having to rehash the "old stuff" and may actually tell them what they need to know.

2) It demonstrates that they are willing to put forth some effort over and above just asking for help. Those that can help themselves, are more likely to get more responses than those that don't.

Hal

[v413nc3]

meets. dont know if its "uncool" in the dsm world or what but our car club has meets now and then. we go get lunch, go for a drive, go for pictures, etc. there are TONS AND TONS of dsms these days, id love to have a meet and talk to other owners, check out other cars, see other mods, share information,ideas,etc in person. may be there are meets and I just cant find them, either way it would be good idea.


We do get togethers a few times a year, but if you're asking for us to all get together once a week I don't think that's possible. Check the events area if you want to know when. Such as the HP competition in January.

[dougs90gsx]

wuts up homies... hows it hangin whats this topic about? haha just kidding guys!

Well it has really been a long time since I have posted here. I can see a lot of things ahave changed! Hoff's big ass head getting in the way of his fingures, oh wait, nope still the same! Just kidding. On a lighter note I like the ideas of the get togethers. I like the fact that some people take the 'board' as more of a board but really close friends and people that really enjoy the same things. The fact that the people that are running the board like things certain ways, well that can't be changed and thats ok! I don't pay for the site. This is a site that has A LOT of very smart people. I dont think the are trying to be a holes on purpose. Just do a quick search, I don't think thats too hard.

Umm I don't think I have much else to say. I am not to sure how bad the grammar was but it must have been pretty bad to warrant that response. I can see simple mistakes like spelling and sometimes forgetting to capitalize but really... this isn't NABR :)

OK time to go back to ummm, nothing

[phoenixr2]

I'm not asking for weekly meets. With 2 and a half jobs, I stay busy. possibly just monthly or bi-monthly? It was just an idea:) I'll check out the events section.

[Hal]

RmDSM isn't NABR and the rules are not the same.

Comparing one to the other is pointless.

I've been a member of NABR since 2001, and after you've gotten used to reasonably well worded and structured posts that you find there, the poor gramnar found on other forums stands out all that much more.

NABR is now open to the public and I encourage all of you to apply for access.

The technical archives are second to none, and you will be surprised at who posts on there.

Hal

[Van]

Yep, I'll second Hal and support the admins of this board and their rules. I'm also a longtime NABR board "talker." This is their sandbox, with separate rules and it's been that way for awhile now. RMDSM is a pleasure to read and participate on when I get here. The rules of this board have nothing to do with nabr or anybody's membership there.

The caliber of technical knowledge that can be gained with proper questions and some good grammar is amazing. All of the other boards that allow and accept moon speak look that much dumber and pale in comparison.

In my humble opinion, if one can't search for some simple info relevant to their question before asking and keep up good spelling and grammar then they shouldn't even be allowed on the internet. :D

Rock on RMDSM! Good work gentlemen!

[mitchel63]

I'm sure everyone on here agrees that good grammar and spelling are a good thing. Its the way it has been being enforced lately that has gotten me all worked up.

Mitch

[DlandryTSI]

Ok then why don't you explain your concerns?

Its not often I start up a feedback thread on this site.

--Dave

[DlandryTSI]

Why don't you put it in here like it should have been in the first place?

--Dave

[Hal]

No one is "freaking out" over spelling and grammar.

If people can't handle thier mistakes being pointed out then they need to grow up. If they are that sensitive, they can simply stop posting.

Also, people who can't post in the right forums or who post the same (or nearly the same) message in multiple forums will eventually get *dinged* for it.

No one is forced to post here. But when they do post, a little attention to grammar & spelling is expected.

People who can't handle the rules can avoid sanctions simply by not posting.

Hal

[hoffman]

i was at sema and saw that car, it didnt appear to be awd, but then again they didnt take off the body....


its a tube chasis car, it was never a WRX, makes shep even more impressive.....

Reference: http://rmdsm.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4100


well its on ebay now. I was selling as a whole because A. I am switching to full garret B. you need the wastegate to use the turbo, so they are best as a package.


wow 55 views and no responses....

Reference: http://rmdsm.org/forums/showthread.php?p=27239#post27239


i have no intent of getting into some pointless arguement, i think awd is best, if you disagree thats fine with me, enjoy your car. The only thing that matters is if YOU like YOUR car (period)


haha, well IMO a AWD is by far superior. However, if i was only interested in running on the hiway from say 60mph rolls i would get a FWD. there are other times when a FWD is better but not very often, and certainly not often enough to warrant buying a FWD. There is a reason i own an AWD.

Reference: http://rmdsm.org/forums/showthread.php?p=27067#post27067

I tried to do you a favor and sent you a PM this morning, but since you want to cry about it, fine. As a matter of fact, I sent out PMs to four members, three of them will take it like a man and fix themselves. But since you wanted to make it public, I could go back and link 80% of your posts.

If you have a problem with me, and my enforcement of our rules, talk to me about it.

[evildsmr]

wow was that just not necessary. I think you have a little to much time on your hands to be worrying about what the hell Tyler said in previous posts. It has no relevance to the changes of RMDSM hoffman. What's you and Jake's deal seriously. You guys are on like huge power trips or something. If you keep it up it'll be just you jake dave and hal on this site.



Josh
93 TSI AWD

[v413nc3]

And yet that doesn't bother us. I will say this one more time since it's been stated by nearly every other admin. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT HERE YOU CAN LEAVE. But you do NOT pay the bills, you do not do the cleanup, you do not provide the hardware. And the MAJORITY of the people who constantly get reprimanded for the rules do NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE other than posting an occasional QUESTION. If you have trouble following the rules for the site, LEAVE. Simple as that. If you're sitting out there thinking "THEY NEED ME" We do not. This board was created to help, and in doing so we ask that people follow a few simple rules. Like Hal stated, if you're too proud to take a small correction in your spelling or grammar than you need to get over yourself. We don't mind input from people, but throwing a fit because admins are just enforcing a policy you AGREED to when creating an account is asinine. We all make spelling mistakes, but repetative ones are annoying to read. Being lazy and typing "ur" instead of you're or your is stupid, along with "b" instead of be. This reflects bad on you and on this board. If you have a better way to do it, spend the money, go out and make your own site. The internet is a big place you know.

[evildsmr]

I think i still stand in corrected. Jake all you ever do anymore is hound on people. There maybe is a couple posts of where your information is even remotely useful. Any other time you usually dogging them for their grammar or stupidity. WHy don't you instead of wasting useful information, pm them about their mistakes instead of making yourself look like a jackass and writing on the thread. And the same for hoffman for his little write-up on here.



Josh

[Tofu4G63]

Bag and gag this nazi muffin. Sorry just watched Con Air the other night. After all I went through to get the admins to explain the changes so that we weren't in the dark about the sudden hostility towards everyone and now you go and pull this? Dude... the admins were being very nice as of the last week since I talked to them. No longer was Hoffman just posting to damn everyone in a county for a grammar error. No, he was posting normally and responding to people's questions. I believe after this post was created site usage went way up. Here you are trying to be a drama queen. If you can't figure out the difference in using words like to, too, and two, why would I want your advice on how to make my DSM run or go faster? Take your drama somewhere else if you can't abide by simple rules.

[DlandryTSI]

Bag and gag this nazi muffin. Sorry just watched Con Air the other night. After all I went through to get the admins to explain the changes so that we weren't in the dark about the sudden hostility towards everyone and now you go and pull this? Dude... the admins were being very nice as of the last week since I talked to them. No longer was Hoffman just posting to damn everyone in a county for a grammar error. No, he was posting normally and responding to people's questions. I believe after this post was created site usage went way up. Here you are trying to be a drama queen. If you can't figure out the difference in using words like to, too, and two, why would I want your advice on how to make my DSM run or go faster? Take your drama somewhere else if you can't abide by simple rules.

Well put :)

--Dave

[v413nc3]

Bag and gag this nazi muffin. Sorry just watched Con Air the other night. After all I went through to get the admins to explain the changes so that we weren't in the dark about the sudden hostility towards everyone and now you go and pull this? Dude... the admins were being very nice as of the last week since I talked to them. No longer was Hoffman just posting to damn everyone in a county for a grammar error. No, he was posting normally and responding to people's questions. I believe after this post was created site usage went way up. Here you are trying to be a drama queen. If you can't figure out the difference in using words like to, too, and two, why would I want your advice on how to make my DSM run or go faster? Take your drama somewhere else if you can't abide by simple rules.
I honestly do not believe I could have put it any better. evildsmr I've had enough of your drama in this thread. I don't see you contributing to it any, hell I don't think I've ever seen you contribute to RMDSM, a friendly nudge in the right direction, leave it be, or you may find yourselff a small plastic doll with neon frizzy hair.

[Tofu4G63]

Defend from what? Someone too childish to take criticism? Too immature to take up his beef with the person in a PM? And of course you know more than everyone here about DSM's right? Thats why 50% of what Hoffman was saying BS?

[evildsmr]

Bag and gag this nazi muffin. Sorry just watched Con Air the other night. After all I went through to get the admins to explain the changes so that we weren't in the dark about the sudden hostility towards everyone and now you go and pull this? Dude... the admins were being very nice as of the last week since I talked to them. No longer was Hoffman just posting to damn everyone in a county for a grammar error. No, he was posting normally and responding to people's questions. I believe after this post was created site usage went way up. Here you are trying to be a drama queen. If you can't figure out the difference in using words like to, too, and two, why would I want your advice on how to make my DSM run or go faster? Take your drama somewhere else if you can't abide by simple rules.

Drama Queen aye? Let's settle this on the street or can your car not handle it. And when did i ever not know the meaning and/or the difference of to, too, and two? Maybe you should get your head out of your and jake's ass and actually read posts before putting your wrothless 2 cents in this thread.

[hoffman]

You're so right. I actually don't know shit about DSMs. People never ask for my opinion, or help tuning, or to build their cars.

Your making a great name for yourself. Keep it right up.

[Rodent Buttermonkey]

Oh well Holy Fuck, my posts were so terrible. What i said was completely understandable and readable. Not one of theose posts you brought up were difficult to read because of puncuation. Yea Hoffman I have a problem with your attitude, way before I even knew about this site I met you in person and you were a complete tool, you were spouting off about DSMs and 50% of what you were saying was complete bull shit, so I guess maybe you should stick to grammar. At the rate its going now, this website will be Dave and his nut-swingers....grammaticly correct nut-swingers. Oh wait I think you better delete this post because you dont like what I'm saying, that way you wont have to try to defend yourself, that'll be much easier.

I'd rather carry the label of one of "Dave's grammtically correct nut-swingers" than come in here and look like a complete asshat. If its such a pain in your ass to be here then why not just pack your little bags and find another forum to bicker in. I mean come on, you are complaining because you can't follow the rules. You don't carry much of a defense when you are arguing with those who do follow the rules by trying to convince them that you are not in the wrong by breaking them. No one wants to hear it anymore. The reason people are going to leave RMDSM is because members like you wont just drop it and stop polluting the forums.

[Tofu4G63]

Ok tough guy. Lets take it to the street. LOL. And what is your point in all of this since the beginning? Get your worthless two cents together then post something worthwhile.

[evildsmr]

Ok tough guy. Lets take it to the street. LOL. And what is your point in all of this since the beginning? Get your worthless two cents together then post something worthwhile.


That little "nut-swingers" like you should find their way to DSMTuners since your to stupid to utilize the information on this site and ask the stupid questions like instead of using the search function like a little baby should. Grow up then you can talk. Learn something then you can chime in unless you wanna just keep kissing ass all the time. Fine by me. And for you information, street as in meaning of racing, or are you scared you gonna lose by someone who doesn't know shit about DSM's? Exactly

[DlandryTSI]

Enough of this shit. All of you. This thread was started to discuss certain issues with RMDSM and you guys have driven it off topic. The next person that doesn't contribute to this thread in a proper fassion will get a warning (takes two to get into the troll cage). One has already been given out.

--Dave

[Tofu4G63]

What stupid questions? And when have I ever been told to use the search function? Never. Beacause I don't need to be told.

[fusionsport]

You're so right. I actually don't know shit about DSMs. People never ask for my opinion, or help tuning, or to build their cars.

Your making a great name for yourself. Keep it right up.

this is kinda funny- and I had some comments, but I will keep them to myself or share them with a select few in person.

As far as this site, its rules, and membership goes I only have this to say- in the end we all reap what we sow. Theres a LOT of bullshit talk about who posts here and how knowledgable they are but let me point out that in fact NONE of you get paid to race. Not one person(myself excluded) actually makes a living building, prepping, maintaining, or engineering racing cars, let alone DSMs. This site does indeed come up in many search engines, but just FYI- the entire site looks retarded when an admin posts one word "search" answers and/or gets on a powertrip about grammar. Intelligent people understand the internet is populated by all sorts, and will skip over worthless posts. The same people also know what admin power trips look like, and what good admin looks like, and this isnt it. Sorry if I hurt your fragile egos, but its true. Look to SRO, 3SI, Rennlist, etc if you want to see good admin and moderating. Intelligent people could care less about posts and threads that look like they were written by an 8 yr old, but then they see this kind of admin power trip BS and want no part of it.

I guess what I am wondering is what RMDSM wants to be- a site for the 5 or 6 individuals who all agree with each other or a site with many hundred members who feel free to post what they think, some of which might actually further the DSM hobby. The "our way or the highway" is not an inviting or positive viewpoint, and is certainly an unwanted one assuming this is truly a site devoted to actually helping people enjoy their hobby. Personally I no longer care much- RMDSM has proven time and again to be populated with small-minded individuals who have no interest in anything not written in their DSM bible. There is a reason I choose to barely post here.

[Hal]

this is the only place I have ever had these types of problems.

If you would follow the rules here, you wouldn't have "these types of problems".

The examples drawn from your posts demonstrate, quite clearly, that you aren't following the rules.

[Hal]

There is a reason I choose to barely post here.

Speaking for myself, I'm glad you barely post here.

Time and time again you have shown yourself to be an arrogant, self centered "know it all" and a "drama queen" (reference posts like your pringles can post on CRN).

But you are right, one does reap what one sows... you've had some experience with that I believe.

Comparing RmDSM to any other forums is pointless, they have thier own rules and moderating styles.

If you, or anyone else, doesn't like the rules or moderating styles here then don't post here. This site isn't about the number of users, or posts. It's about sharing information in a reasonably mature manner.

As far as sharing your comments with a select few, yes you're very good at that too. It's always easier to sit back and throw stones (something else you are good at), than it is to be a force for positive change.

Hal

[DSM16GSX]

Consider me part of the "nut swingers." If I start to read a post and can't undertand what is being said or asked, I hit the back button. You lose in the end because I may have the answer to your question.

Alex
91 GSX 12.9

[ryanman]

WOW, I've never seen this thread, how did I miss it? LOL. I'll keep my comments to myself.

[v413nc3]

Mearly commenting like that is not really keeping your comments to yourself. But like it was stated, if you don't like it, leave.

[ryanman]

Did I say anything about not liking it? Ok then. STFU!!