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hoffman
12-07-2004, 09:55 AM
The good news is that at 1:00 Am this morning, the
conditional use permit for Second Creek was extended
for one more year. There are a couple of minor new
limitations:

- The track can only be used from 8:00 AM until
8:00 PM or dusk, whichever is earlier.

- There is a noise restriction; the track cannot
produce more than 50 Db as measured at the nearest
home. This restriction is unlikely to be an issue, I
gather that the SCCA rules Second Creek enforces will
keep us from bumping this restriction. It's the same
restriction that was imposed on Rocky Mountain
Speedway.

One significant restriction is that Second Creek
agreed not to ask for another extension. Nov 1, 2005
will definitely be the last day for Second Creek.
BTW, Rocky Mountain Raceway agreed to the same
limitation.

The vast majority of the evening was devoted to Rocky
Mountain Raceway. There were a lot of supporters for
Rocky Mountain, and a small cadre of folks opposed to
the extension. The opposition to Rocky Mountain
seemed to center around the intensity of the noise,
and the fact that it sometimes extended late into the
evening. There was also some complaint about the
bright lights at night. The City Council seemed
divided about Rocky Mountain's application. In
addition to the issues about noise etc, some of the
council members were upset because they felt that
Rocky Mountain hadn't been making a serious effort to
find another site, even though everyone has known for
years that this property is being developed. In the
end though, with some reluctance and after imposing a
bunch of restrictions to lessen the impact, the
council granted a one year extension to Rocky Mountain
Raceway.

Around 12:30 AM, Second Creek came up on the agenda.
The good news was that it seemed to me that after all
the complaints and discussion about Rocky Mountain,
Second Creek looked comparatively good. Second Creek
already enforces the SCCA noise limits, which looked
much better than Rocky Mountain's vague promises to
run with quieter mufflers. Also, we don't run at
night, which nullified probably the biggest complaint
about Rocky Mountain. Finally, the late hour of the
discussion worked to our advantage ... when it came
time for the opposition to present their case, they
had all gone home! The icing on the cake was that the
groups running Second Creek are actively looking for a
new site, something that seemed to predispose the
council to giving us another year.

So bottom line, enjoy the next year at Second Creek!

v413nc3
12-07-2004, 10:02 AM
That's good news. Maybe if we can get CoDSM in on it (Carl?) we could do some kind of DSM joint club event out there come summer.

Carl Morris
12-07-2004, 10:26 AM
The only issues are CMC membership(s) for the club(s) and also that one-lap-wonders such as myself that don't have real brakes and cooling systems can't really run very well when it's hot. I'd prefer to see it happen in cool weather, either early spring or right before it closes next fall. But at any rate, yes, I'd like to do it and I'm very happy about it being open another year. I hope this means that free week will happen between Christmas and New Years, and if it does, I hope to see everyone out there. One or both of the clubs should throw $100 to the CMC if their members plan to be out there and aren't members of any other paying club.

v413nc3
12-07-2004, 10:30 AM
Good ideas Carl... I'll talk with the guys here and maybe we can set up a meeting to yap about the specifics between us and the CoDSM guys.

hoffman
12-07-2004, 01:23 PM
If there is a free day between now and New Years, I will try my damnedest to be there.

Someone bring a trailer, I'm going to try to total this bitch!

Mirage
12-07-2004, 01:41 PM
I'll have the trailer available to those who are like Hoff and want to try and destroy their cars.

I'm doubting that I'll be running as I'm still up in the air about what to do about my engine.

Marcus Martinez

hoffman
12-07-2004, 01:51 PM
January 5th will be the last time I can drive this car until about late 2007, so I might as well try to kill.

Drag racing, dynos and daily driving aren't working. Maybe it needs some good old fashioned road racing to do it.

v413nc3
12-07-2004, 01:59 PM
Let me drive it. Wait, put a roll bar in, then let me drive it.

hoffman
12-07-2004, 02:29 PM
You just want to drive it because I don't roll on OEM brakes and suspension. :p

v413nc3
12-07-2004, 02:44 PM
Hey, it accelerated like a bat out of hell, but required praying to get it to stop :)

sbiggi
12-07-2004, 07:31 PM
That's good news. Maybe if we can get CoDSM in on it (Carl?) we could do some kind of DSM joint club event out there come summer.


Nice, I would deffinantly participate in that!

Just need to get some better brakes before then. Last time out my EBC Green stuff pads turned black and almost caught on fire. Nothing like sitting still in the parking lot with the brakes smoking :D .

-Seth

Carl Morris
12-08-2004, 04:40 PM
OK guys, the latest info is that free week is on. I don't know if this should actually be a new topic or not, but we (one or both clubs) should pony up some money to the CMC so that we're legit over the holidays. CoDSM did that until this year, and we didn't give them any money this year because they didn't think there would be a free week. They very graciously allowed us to run at events this year that required membership anyway, so I definitely want to be good to them.


Does RMDSM want to handle that this year? If you don't have anybody that regularly attends CMC meetings, Paul Rask always goes and can take the money. The next meeting *should* be the 14th. If you guys would prefer not to take it on for whatever reason, then I'll hold a begathon over at CoDSM to cover it. Since many of the members are in both clubs, I think the people willing to donate will get their opportunity either way.

Carl Morris
12-08-2004, 04:43 PM
Oh yeah, the amount would be $100 and could just be under "DSM Club" if we want to do this jointly.

hoffman
12-08-2004, 05:03 PM
Just whoring through so Carl gets an email alert.

Carl, check your PMs.

v413nc3
12-08-2004, 07:41 PM
Damnit Art, stop post whoring.

Carl, how about we split the costs? I'm sure we can come up with at lest $50 without issue.

hoffman
12-08-2004, 07:47 PM
It's already taken care of.

Carl and I came to a solution 3 hours ago.

v413nc3
12-08-2004, 07:50 PM
well hell, thanks for sharing, you post whore *ducks and runs*