Tranny Fluid Pump - How hard to swap out?

[SilverstoneXJ]

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Since it looks like I have no flow in my tranny, and the pump is the culprit... how hard is it to swap one out? What steps are involved, and what's the parts list needed (seals, gaskets, etc).

'93 Talon DL
1.8L N/T
FWD, Auto

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[sbiggi]

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Since it looks like I have no flow in my tranny, and the pump is the culprit... how hard is it to swap one out? What steps are involved, and what's the parts list needed (seals, gaskets, etc).

'93 Talon DL
1.8L N/T
FWD, Auto

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Pretty sure its not to difficult. Hopefully brother can chime in as he has rebuilt automatics before.

-Seth

[SilverstoneXJ]

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Disco'ed the cooler lines. Fired it up, and hoped for a cherry-colored geiser. Shifted through each gear for at least 5 seconds each. No luck. Not even a trickle of flow. I would have loved to have to clean up AFT from the motor, the floor, heck even the ceiling. But nothing. Called WIT (Whatever It Takes Tranny Parts), and they say I can get a new pump for $112. Just might do that. Any way to check to see if the converter is bad too? The $400 beater is turning into a money pit. The wife's gonna sell it before we get to drive the thing out of the garage.

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[DSMWillyb]

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The wife's gonna sell it before we get to drive the thing out of the garage. .

That's no good Gary... If you need a hand let me know...

-Will

[JamesonGST]

This is replacing a Oil Pump on a 95 not sure if it is much different on a 1G but maybe it will help.

First off when you get ready to do this put the transmission on the back side so the pump is facing up. Reason for this is so once you get the pump out everything stays in place.

In the first picture you will see the 6 bolt holes that holds it to the housing that you must remove. After you get those out there are a couple of holes that are a part of the pump itself that are threaded. What I did was took a old big wrench and drilled some holes in it that would reach across the top of the pump from threaded hole to threaded hole. Threaded the bolts into the pump with the wrench under the heads of the bolts. Than I used a L shaped pry bar and used that as a slide hammer against the wrench, going back and forth so the pump didn't get wedged.

Once you get it out you'll have 4 different seals you should replace the Outer O-Ring, the paper gasket along the outer edge of the pump, a carbon ring, and a metal ring on the inner.

When you get ready to put it all back together just lube the edges and use a rubber mallet to tap it back down into the housing.

Hopefully this made sense but if not and you have any questions give me a call 720-207-2897, good luck :D

[sbiggi]

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Disco'ed the cooler lines. Fired it up, and hoped for a cherry-colored geiser. Shifted through each gear for at least 5 seconds each. No luck. Not even a trickle of flow. I would have loved to have to clean up AFT from the motor, the floor, heck even the ceiling. But nothing. Called WIT (Whatever It Takes Tranny Parts), and they say I can get a new pump for $112. Just might do that. Any way to check to see if the converter is bad too? The $400 beater is turning into a money pit. The wife's gonna sell it before we get to drive the thing out of the garage.

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Converters dont really go bad. They can get burnt fluid stuck in them, and on very rare occasions ballon or break.

If the transmission was removed and the reinstalled and the converter wasnt seated properly they could have burned out the pump.

[SilverstoneXJ]

Converters dont really go bad. They can get burnt fluid stuck in them, and on very rare occasions ballon or break.

If the transmission was removed and the reinstalled and the converter wasnt seated properly they could have burned out the pump.

Made sure the converter was seated fully. First attempt, it wouldn't cooperate with the drive plate. And no grinding or anything when I fired it up. Not sure if the previous owner did anything to it.

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[sbiggi]

Not sure what way you installed, but the correct way is:
1. Install converter into tranny, lining up both sets of splines
2. Install tranny on to engine
3. Bolt converter to flexplate

If done properly the converter will have to slide forward an 1/8 - 1/4 inch to mate to the flexplate.

The pump is actually the piece you unblot on the engine side of the tranny. Comes out with 8 bolts or so, its very easy.

[JamesonGST]

Not sure what way you installed, but the correct way is:
1. Install converter into tranny, lining up both sets of splines
2. Install tranny on to engine
3. Bolt converter to flexplate

If done properly the converter will have to slide forward an 1/8 - 1/4 inch to mate to the flexplate.

The pump is actually the piece you unblot on the engine side of the tranny. Comes out with 8 bolts or so, its very easy.

Great call, follow these steps boostedTSI pointed out. DON'T try to bolt the converter to the flex plate than slide the tranny on, believe me I learned this lesson the hard way :D

[SilverstoneXJ]

Great call, follow these steps boostedTSI pointed out. DON'T try to bolt the converter to the flex plate than slide the tranny on, believe me I learned this lesson the hard way :D

I've actually never heard of anyone trying to install the converter on the flex plate first, and then install the tranny afterwards. Just sounds like it would be more of a PITA that way. I've decided to wait and see if PnS gets in a '93 Auto FWD DSM soon. If they do, everyone leave the tranny for me!

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[intaginize]

I'm glad you guys are so helpful to 1.8 owners, personally I would burn the car and buy a 2.0L. Ok maybe that's a little extreme but dont spend any money to fix it, one can be had used for under $900 running. Parts can be found 24-7 at the junkyards because no one wants them. So if you need extra parts visit any junkyard, they should have them.

[SilverstoneXJ]

I'm glad you guys are so helpful to 1.8 owners, personally I would burn the car and buy a 2.0L. Ok maybe that's a little extreme but dont spend any money to fix it, one can be had used for under $900 running. Parts can be found 24-7 at the junkyards because no one wants them. So if you need extra parts visit any junkyard, they should have them.

Yeah some yards have them, but want $750 for a tranny. I'll wait for Pull-n-Save to get one in for $75, before I spend that. Since we only paid $400 for the car itself, can't justify spending $750 on any single part. And I can see your view on getting a 2.0L instead, but this car is strictly for better gas mileage. Now if it was my only vehicle, and I was going to trick it out, I could see it.

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[SilverstoneXJ]

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It's gonna take a while for PnS to get in a '93 Auto car, so does anyone know anyone who has a '93 FWD auto tranny for sale? Should would like to drive the car sometime soon.

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