Tuning day in April?

[DlandryTSI]

So after talking with Bill @ MAC he is willing to host a tuning day or maybe even an entire weekend if we get enough people. I don't have any ideas on pricing right now but its going to depend on how many people are interested.

Are you guys interested?

--Dave

[KeltonDSMer]

Absolutely, maybe this time I'll have a MBC that doesn't pop open at 13psi...

[DlandryTSI]

Cast your vote in the poll.

--Dave

[nefkntym]

Do it mid may, that is when I get back from the suck. :)

[turbomirage]

Early or late April? How many people are you looking for to keep the cost reasonable?

[hisandherturbo]

Very much so (I already voted). I need it bad, the sooner the better, cause now with it running (and running great, for now). I need a new pump/race gas tune for the upcoming season. I was already looking to do it on my own soon, but if this happens of course I will go this way.

[buckley]

I am more than excited...

buckley

[MidnightTSI]

I am down!!

[DlandryTSI]

Details are still being worked out. Right now I'm just trying to see who is interested.

You can tune your own, have someone else do it for you.

--Dave


So who will be tuning? Tune your own car or what? How much time will each person get? Does it cost the same if you tune yourself, or have the 'guest' tuner do it?

I am not interested in going, just thought this info might be useful for those that are.

[biglady112]

I would be willing to go. It is a little difficult for me to get saturday's off, but if I beg enough I might be able to. I would be willing to lend a hand with dsmlink. I am still learning with AEM and am probably retarded with an AFC, but I would be willing to help if anyone lets me.

I would say to make things go easy, the rmdsm staff and MAC autosport would rather everyone's car come in 100% ready to go. Able to handle multiple pulls without a hitch. It just makes it difficult and more time consuming if people come in and their cars aren't prepared.

I know I wasn't last time. It took me 3 hours to make 3 pulls with the mirage. I got there, put the slicks on, got strapped down, found out the slicks were too big. Pulled the car off changed tires back, made a pull, spun the tires. Tried another gear spun the tires in 4th and blew out the spark. Had to pull the plugs regap them and make my last pull. Had 4 people hold the car down, spin the tires again and then pull the car off. I spent 2 1/2 hours on the dyno for 3 baseline pulls with no tuning. I would rather not put Bill and his family through that again.

Learn from my mistakes everyone. I have had problems twice with spark issues and once a clutch not holding on my own vehicles. Also, one other important thing I remembered, cars like to overheat while tuning on MAC's dyno. It gets hot in there and their small fans don't help.

Steven

[DlandryTSI]

I would be willing to go. It is a little difficult for me to get saturday's off, but if I beg enough I might be able to. I would be willing to lend a hand with dsmlink. I am still learning with AEM and am probably retarded with an AFC, but I would be willing to help if anyone lets me.

I would say to make things go easy, the rmdsm staff and MAC autosport would rather everyone's car come in 100% ready to go. Able to handle multiple pulls without a hitch. It just makes it difficult and more time consuming if people come in and their cars aren't prepared.

I know I wasn't last time. It took me 3 hours to make 3 pulls with the mirage. I got there, put the slicks on, got strapped down, found out the slicks were too big. Pulled the car off changed tires back, made a pull, spun the tires. Tried another gear spun the tires in 4th and blew out the spark. Had to pull the plugs regap them and make my last pull. Had 4 people hold the car down, spin the tires again and then pull the car off. I spent 2 1/2 hours on the dyno for 3 baseline pulls with no tuning. I would rather not put Bill and his family through that again.

Learn from my mistakes everyone. I have had problems twice with spark issues and once a clutch not holding on my own vehicles. Also, one other important thing I remembered, cars like to overheat while tuning on MAC's dyno. It gets hot in there and their small fans don't help.

Steven

The fan's on MAC's dyno are not the reason for cars overheating. Your vehicle is use to cool air at high RPM's. To cope with the high temperatures all you have to do is let the car idle for about 10 minutes and your set for the next run.

--Dave

[biglady112]

Very true. I have to usually hotlap a car becuase of time though. My car will over heat no matter what I do. Unless I shut it off between runs. Small radiators will do that. It was just something for others to be aware of. Plus dsmlink will pull timing once the car reaches a certain level. Most dsmlink users probably know that though.

Steven

[v413nc3]

I'll be available to help with tuning should anyone want it.

[spyve4]

I would enjoy doing a couple of pulls and getting some feedback from some of you guys. I will be there if work does not conflict.

[JayRolla]

Ohh yea this would be fun, expecially to have all the dsm guys helping each other tune. I need to fix all my boost leaks, FMIC install and a fuel pump. Ill be ready.

[fusionsport]

If its in April I might bring my car down, by then life should be close to normal.

[chizad]

I would love to come and just see what numbers i could put up, on the s16g lol, and meet some people. But it might be really hard for me to get saturdays off. I have sunday and mondays off and I just started this new job so they might not allow me to get a day off yet. Ill keep up on the thread and see when the date and time is and see what i can do. :)

[hisandherturbo]

I have a question, HAL, will you dyno yours at this time?

[v413nc3]

There is a fairly good chance mine will be on the dyno. If it is I will make a full throttle pull to redline with the new turbo setup.

[Hal]

I have a question, HAL, will you dyno yours at this time?

No.................

[Mirage]

You may actually have some competition this year Jake :D

I don't know if I'll compete at this point because of some new things that just came up.

We'll see.

Marcus

[v413nc3]

My car isn't built to lay out massive horsepower, and I know for a FACT there are a good number of DSM's locally that have larger turbo setups. I should be pleasently beaten for once I hope.

[hemi-colt]

I might throw mine on and do a half throttle pull to redline....

[DlandryTSI]

Ok so I spoke with Bill @ MAC yesterday. We can do this multiple ways. We can split the day up into baselines and tuning. My recommendation is we break up the day into 1 hour slots for tuning and those that want to do baselines we can work that in through the day.

Now I'm waiting for Bill to shoot me some prices and I'll let you guys know what they are when I receive them.

--Dave

[hisandherturbo]

Sounds great Dave, you can definatly count me in (well, if it's a weekend). In a perfect world, make it before the 14th (due to Bandi) and would we be able to slot more then 1hr? I would probally be looking at 2hrs myself.

[scooter]

Sounds good Dave.

-Scot

[hoffman]

Holy crap Scot isn't dead!

An hour is about 6 pulls with tuning. If you need more than that your car is seriously messed up.

[hisandherturbo]

Holy crap Scot isn't dead!

An hour is about 6 pulls with tuning. If you need more than that your car is seriously messed up.


Hush up you, no it ain't........ I'll fine tune my pump gas settings, then will do a race gas tune.

[mrmegnum]

Would some of the people who are there be able to help me tune my car since I'm new to it?

[JayRolla]

Thats the point of these dyno days, so we can give info where needed, along with cheaper pricing. I will need about 1 hour if I go, im only running a 16g with a crappy safc.

[scooter]

I have never gone to a Tuning day, or a horsepower competition with out learning something or somebody lending a hand. Thats just the way it works. Hopefully it lands on a day I can help too.


And no I Ain't dead. (all though my ex-wife tried to make me)

-Scot

[v413nc3]

That which does not kill us makes us stronger brother :)

Planning on launching any engine pieces or breaking any cranks? The best ones have always been the ones you've come to Scot.

[confusionisbad]

Ill come and watch, but I have no need to dyno or tune my car. I will bring my cable for dave to use if he wants though. You guys have ECU Flash already im assuming, just need the cable?

[mrmegnum]

Hey I was wondering if there's any update on this yet?

[DlandryTSI]

I finally got some price information from Bill yesterday. Here is what we are looking at.

If you wish to have MAC tune your car its $150/hour with a 45 minute minimum ($112.50). If you go over the one hour its 37.50 every additional 15 minutes.

For self tuning (or having a friend tune) its $80/hour with a 1 hour minimum and $20 for every additional 15 minutes after.

Baselines include 3 pulls and they will be $49.95.

The timer starts once the car is strapped down and ready for its first pull.

Now the next question. How many of you are ready for the end of April and how many of you are going to plan on showing up? If you want to do this send me a PM and how much time you need so we can get a schedule drafted up. I'll be getting with Bill this weekend to see if we can get Saturday April 28th.

--Dave

[hisandherturbo]

I'm in...... PM sent, TY for all your efforts in this!

[JayRolla]

Well I dont know if I can make it. Im having a fuel issue and cant figure it out along with misfiring problems. I hate my car.

[mrmegnum]

I'll be there to watch and get some knowledge of the whole tuning process.

[biglady112]

If you can give us a definite on the 28th in the next few days Dave, I can get the day off. I already took it off, but if it is pushed back or is moved I will just go to work that day instead.

Steven

[DlandryTSI]

Ok so out of 38 people that were interested five people are able to attend?

--Dave

[ba109296]

Whats up with the rates? Last time I was there they weren't that freakin high. Its been a few months but dang. And are these rates posted cheaper than what anyone can get if they walk in?

[JayRolla]

Yea my brother had his car tuned there and I thought he payed $120/hr?

[MidnightTSI]

I'm not sure if I can make it either. I really need to get my car tuned but I am still having a boost creep issue. I will try to get it fixed by this date. As long as I do you can count on me coming for sure.

[DlandryTSI]

Whats up with the rates? Last time I was there they weren't that freakin high. Its been a few months but dang. And are these rates posted cheaper than what anyone can get if they walk in?

You guys are telling me that $80/hour for you to tune your own car is too expensive? Give me a break. Yes these rates are lower than what you would get if you walk in on your own. The only one that isn't marked down is for MAC to tune your car.

--Dave

[DlandryTSI]

Yea my brother had his car tuned there and I thought he payed $120/hr?

You might want to check with your brother again.

--Dave

[fusionsport]

Its not often these days I will stick up for Lucas etc., BUT- those prices are out of line. I know for a fact you can rent Carz dyno for the entire day or even on a per-car basis cheaper. I also think you could probably rent out Super Rupairs DynoDynamics for the whole day or for a tuning day for the same or less, and both of these are load bearing dynos that are far better to tune on. 80/hour to tune on a Dynojet is not aweful for the guy walking in off the street, but for a "club day" with guaranteed returns I would expect a lot less, like 50/car period, whether tuning or not, all cars limited to say 30 minutes on the dyno. Even if you go from 8-5 and are able to efficiently strap and unstrap cars- which almost never happens- you will not be able to "tune" more than 5-6 cars in the day if they all take just thier 45min minimum. You could do a few more baseline only pulls, but not very many. Just my honest and somewhat experienced opinion.

[DlandryTSI]

The last time we hosted a dyno day 20+ people said they would be there. How many actually showed up? Four.

MAC reserved the entire day for us and ended up loosing business on this deal. I don't blame Bill for having these prices the way they do.

$50 for 30 mins is still more than the $80/hour that Bill has set us up for.

--Dave

[JayRolla]

Like I said I was interested but since I cant figure out why I have to add +18% fuel on my safc just to run 11psi I dont think I will make it. Not to mention a high rpm misfire thats impossible to fix.

[MidnightTSI]

I can see why the prices are moderately high because of people not showing up. It would be nice if they lowered them a bit if we had a better showing.

[hisandherturbo]

That is low........ typically they charge $140/hr, most of us usually only pay $120/hr, so $80 is (in my opinion) a lot lower!

[sbiggi]

I paid $100 / hr on Revolutions dynodynamics load dyno, no special rate.
Adam taught me how to run the dyno and he just stood there and gave us pointers on how to do steady state tuning and how to operate everything. We ran the dyno our selves for 5 hours, they just tied the cars down for us.
It was awesome.

[scooter]

The car is almost ready but I will be in Florida from the 24th to the 29th

Sorry guys.

-Scot

[DlandryTSI]

I paid $100 / hr on Revolutions dynodynamics load dyno, no special rate.
Adam taught me how to run the dyno and he just stood there and gave us pointers on how to do steady state tuning and how to operate everything. We ran the dyno our selves for 5 hours, they just tied the cars down for us.
It was awesome.

Was this for you to tune your own car or for them?

--Dave

[DlandryTSI]

That is low........ typically they charge $140/hr, most of us usually only pay $120/hr, so $80 is (in my opinion) a lot lower!

$140/hour is for MAC to tune your car. $80/hour is for you to tune your own car :) .

--Dave

[sbiggi]

Was this for you to tune your own car or for them?

--Dave

Me tuning, but Adam gave us lots of advice how to tune on their dyno.
Like how to tune the part throttle timing and upper timing areas of my map.

The people at Mac are nice and all, but the dynojet cant hold a candle to tuning on a load dyno.

Edit: Actually I guess it was $125 / hr ... my bad, still cant tune part throttle on a dynojet though

[sbiggi]

Dang edit time limit.

They offer group/club discounts though, so you might wanna see what they can offer.

[v413nc3]

We're not currently open for changing our tuning days to other dynos. MAC has treated us great every time and will continue to be the chosen dyno for RMDSM until further notice. If you don't like the price then you do not have to come and participate but lets keep the suggestions of taking elsewhere to other threads. You all fail to understand that a day like this isn't just getting your car on the dyno but also having many other DSM people available to help out. People like Dave Landry and Possibly Hal, who if you did not know, laid ground work for what you take for granted (DSMLink). And are considered to be experts in the use of DSMLink and tuning of 1G and 2G DSM's. People who know AEM, like Don (Fusionsport) and myself who have tuned countless cars with it and participate in the AEM community. Countless members who have used the AFC, GCC, VPC, Motec, Haltec, etc. Seriously complaining about the price makes no sense.

[JayRolla]

We're not currently open for changing our tuning days to other dynos. MAC has treated us great every time and will continue to be the chosen dyno for RMDSM until further notice. If you don't like the price then you do not have to come and participate but lets keep the suggestions of taking elsewhere to other threads. You all fail to understand that a day like this isn't just getting your car on the dyno but also having many other DSM people available to help out. People like Dave Landry and Possibly Hal, who if you did not know, laid ground work for what you take for granted (DSMLink). And are considered to be experts in the use of DSMLink and tuning of 1G and 2G DSM's. People who know AEM, like Don (Fusionsport) and myself who have tuned countless cars with it and participate in the AEM community. Countless members who have used the AFC, GCC, VPC, Motec, Haltec, etc. Seriously complaining about the price makes no sense.

This is so true. If I can get rid of my high rpm missfire problem I will be there. It would be nice to see if I can get a good a/f ratio. Then I would know if it was a fuel problem or to much timing when boost hits.

[John R-]

We're not currently open for changing our tuning days to other dynos. MAC has treated us great every time and will continue to be the chosen dyno for RMDSM until further notice. If you don't like the price then you do not have to come and participate but lets keep the suggestions of taking elsewhere to other threads. You all fail to understand that a day like this isn't just getting your car on the dyno but also having many other DSM people available to help out. People like Dave Landry and Possibly Hal, who if you did not know, laid ground work for what you take for granted (DSMLink). And are considered to be experts in the use of DSMLink and tuning of 1G and 2G DSM's. People who know AEM, like Don (Fusionsport) and myself who have tuned countless cars with it and participate in the AEM community. Countless members who have used the AFC, GCC, VPC, Motec, Haltec, etc. Seriously complaining about the price makes no sense.

Ditto^^^

Last year when we (coSRToc) did our dyno competition, we got something like 22 cars baselined (about 3 did some light tunning). If you're organized you can knock them out. MAC has been nothing but excellent to our club for 3 years now. The price has gone up but $80 is cheaper than a blown turbo, motor, etc... Beside it's a blast to get together with fellow club members & just have fun.

[Scott Y]

Count me in if there will be some experienced DSMLink folks there to help me out (and it sounds like there will be). I'd like to sort out my E85 setup before hitting Bandi and tuning alone on not-always-empty highways is a bit sucky.

[DlandryTSI]

Guys, Send me a PM because that will be easier to see how many people are going to be there.

--Dave

[DlandryTSI]

Ok here is what we have so far. I have reserved slots for the following people. This is all we can fit in for the day.

Hisandherturbo - 1 hour - self tune
DlandryTSI - 1 hour - self tune
LBaron - 1 hour - self tune
Scott Y - 1 hour - self tune
JayTolla - Possible 1 hour - self tune

11am to 6pm on April 28th. Those with slots reserved need to be there by 11am.

--Dave

[DlandryTSI]

Ok here is what the schedule looks like right now. If you have any questions about the times let me know. We have six cars to cram in and we may be ahead of schedule if we can roll them on and off quickly. I would like everyone that has slots reserved to be there by 10:30am if possible in case we get started early.

11:00AM Scott Yorga - 1 hour - self tune
12:30PM Luke Baron - 1 hour - self tune
2:00PM David Landry - Baseline
3:00PM Jason Roe - 1 hour - self tune
4:30PM Joe Ferguson - 1 hour - self tune - Josh Sloan
6:00PM Robert Howrey - 1 hour - self tune

--Dave

[biglady112]

What about the baseline for Josh Sloan? All we need is 2 or 3 pulls to see where we stand.

Steven

[hisandherturbo]

What about the baseline for Josh Sloan? All we need is 2 or 3 pulls to see where we stand.

Steven


If you need more time, you can just change me to a base line, cause I really shouldn't need more then 3-4 runs max.

[biglady112]

I might have an idea for your car Joe. We will see when I get there.

Steven

[DlandryTSI]

What about the baseline for Josh Sloan? All we need is 2 or 3 pulls to see where we stand.

Steven

Maybe we can work Joe and Josh into the same slot.

--Dave

[biglady112]

Sounds great. Thank You.

Steven

[DlandryTSI]

Overall it was a good day. Weather was nice and no one blew anything up. I'll let the owners of the cars that were tuned post details if they wish.

My results were about what I expected out of this setup based on how the car performed last year. Peak boost was showing up at 4200rpm.

Final numbers:
525 hp corrected 425 uncorrected
495 Torque corrected 401 uncorrected

Mental note: Four year old stainless collector gaskets have their limits ;) .

--Dave

[hisandherturbo]

Overall it was a good day. Weather was nice and no one blew anything up. I'll let the owners of the cars that were tuned post details if they wish.

My results were about what I expected out of this setup based on how the car performed last year. Peak boost was showing up at 4200rpm.

Final numbers:
525 hp corrected 425 uncorrected
495 Torque corrected 401 uncorrected

Mental note: Four year old stainless collector gaskets have their limits ;) .

--Dave


Nice numbers! Wish I could have been there to either support or dyno! But I have been sitting here waiting on a savior to come and look/fix my stripped flywheel bolt issues.

[ba109296]

If I can figure out how to make this camera transfer video to the computer I will do so. I think I got almost everyones except one because I was trying to do learn more tuning stuff.

[fusionsport]

Eh, I would have shown up but I spent the day with the wife and some friends and played 9 holes in the afternoon. Such a nice weekend!

[lbaron]

After alot of help, I ended up making 397 hp and 402 ft lbs on an E16g @ 21 psi falling off only a pound or two at redline.

It was really nice to meet everyone down there and finally put some faces with names.

Thanks again to everyone that helped me out with my car.

Luke

[Scott Y]

There were a lot of firsts
- First time that I tuned a car to output +300hp
- First time driving on a dyno
- First time I saw homemade cookies at a dyno/tuning session
- First time tuning for real on E85

I was first up, and the first pull netted 360hp (unknown torque) on my basic tune. This was with 19 lbs and the injectors dialed to get the fuel trims close, with zero'd out timing / fuel sliders on DSMLink.
With some magic tuning ju-ju from Steven and Dave the final pull at 22 lbs netted 395hp and 361 torque. This was on E85 with a afr (gasoline scale) of approx 11.3. Steven got the BR20G to spool at least 600rpm sooner, now if only the surge would go away. There wasn't enough time to push the numbers higher, and the order of the day was to tune with safe limits and not maximize output. I suppose another turn of the boost controller might net 400+ hp but we ran out of time.

The MAC guys were very accommodating, leaving rmdsm with pretty much the run of the place. It was nice to meet everyone there, I hope I see some of you at Bandi this year.

There were some other cool cars there. The black turbo'd Corolla was pretty nice, and the pretty sweet looking rod on the rollers with a tunnel rammed 327. I don't recall the numbers it put down, but it was a nice car.

Thanks to all that put in the effort to make the event happen. Without your time and effort, I wouldn't be able to do the things with the car that I do.

[buckley]

Man guys, I am so sorry I was unable to make it. I had been looking forward to this since the last dyno day a year ago... Too bad she broke again. "hopefully" I'll be there next year.

buckley