Bandimere - 8/26

[Hal]

Wow... some fast 4g63 powered cars!

We were there for the USP Series.

I missed first round because I lost fuel pressure right after I unloaded the car.

Changed out the feeder pump, still no pressure.

Tore the regulator apart and found a piece of hose liner on the check ball.

Cleaned that off, got it back together in time for 2nd round qualifying.

I tried the DSMLink 2 step for the first time and bogged it. It will take a getting used to, but it IS a much milder launch than the MSD 2 step.

I ran a 12.2 @ 131.99 :D and now have a Bandimere 130 MPH club sticker on the car.

First round of eliminations all hell broke loose. I was paired with Lucas from Carz, I bogged the launch (but not as bad) and I was trying to run him down.

I shifted into 4th and nothing. The motor rev'd free and then started running rough. I had no reverse when I got back to the pits.

Pulled the valve cover and #4 tossed 1 intake rocker and #1 tossed both intake rockers.

So, we'll get the top end put back together and see what's up with that (compression & leak down). After that, then I'll drop the trans and see how bad the damage is.

I'm pretty optimistic right now, there's no smoke or blow by. But, that could change after I get the rockers all back in it.

The car makes awesome power, I just need to adjust the nut behind the wheel.

Hal

[talontsi]

Hal, it was nice to finally meet you. (tried not to stick around too long...you looked a little frustrated :D, and I also didnt want to catch the wrath from your attack guard dogs) It was also great to see you run, except for that last pass...we got a little worried when we saw you get on the brakes hard.


All in all, fun day. I cant wait to see how you do when you get the link 2 step down.

[hemi-colt]

There were some fast cars out and running today...I wish i could say i was one of them...I gave it my best after a 90hr+ week at work then getting home last night from work i tried my best to get the car ready..All seemed well on the ride there then once i made my first pass found out i was wrong..I have had clutch issues all year and they came back to haunt me once again and the coil pack desided to take dump..But i had fun congrads to all that ran sorry hal wish i could of given you a better run....It was nice meeting a few people on this board...


Davis

[Mike Patrick]

Hal, congratulations on the 130+!

Sorry to hear about the head -- hope when you get it apart it's minor and you're up and running again quickly.

[Hal]

Thanks!

I ran 131.08 back in May (at PMI), but I used way more boost to do it.

Since Bandimere is higher up, it's means more to run it here.

Hal

[-EpicEVO-]

Well I was going to write a really really long post about THE APSOLUTE HELL the guys at Carz went through last week with my car, But I'm tired and we explained this story to like 50 people already today so i'll try make it short.

On Monday the evo was on the dyno and spun the rod bearings on the new motor due to Lack of oil.. (later found to be a leaking oil return MY BAD!!) The guys at Carz Performance took it upon themselves to help me out, both on there personal time and work time, and for the amount of work all of those guys did on my car is amazing!! Thank you doesn't quite say enough.. But to make this quick, They had the motor out of the car and disassembled by tuesday night, they got the motor rebuilt.. i.e. new rods, crank, bearings etc.. by thursday. Friday was spent trying to fix some really difficult oil leaks coming from the front case cover. So a long story short Shane, Lucas, Doug, Brian, and whoever else worked on this thing got everything done friday night and first thing Saturday was suppose to be dyno time! Well Like everything with this car it just didn't want to happen and continued to leak from a different area (this is where they found the devil that blew the 1st motor, it would only leak at high rpms or under boost) the oil return was leaking, so they had to unstrap the car from the dyno and fix that next. So now its Saturday the 25th at 5:00pm and They are just strapping the car down to start dynoing with the new ems.

So Lucas started the first pull at i think around 6:15 or so and we dynoed the car until about 9pm.. Ended up just dialing in the afr's and some timing, the car made 538AWHP @27psi with no nitrous.. We had to call it quits at that point because we didn't want all the neighbors to hate the shop!

So today we get to the track and i had some issues.. Well Lucas did just about everything i could have ever asked for to try and get the car right, from taking parts off his car to fix my and so forth..

first qualifing run was interesting, the car fell on its face off the start and the once boost came up it ran ok..
2.021 60ft
5.647 330
8.340 1/8
93.05 mph
10.603 1000
12.473@121.66.. the car ran great through the gears and just felt awesome. No nitrous on this pass and the antilag wasn't work hints the terrible 60ft time :)

2nd pass antilag still didn't work car fell on its face again
2.356 60ft
6.193 330
9.001 1/8
90.89 mph
11.303 1000
13.181@121.53
Car again felt strong through the gears but fell on its face at the start

I Qualified 11 out of 16 :( got paired up next to a girl with a crx that was running consistent low 11's..
So after come thinking and talking in the pits we set the nitrous up and got the antilag to work
1st round of eliminations
.642 r/t (Terrible for me)
1.702 60ft
4.692 330
7.186 1/8
98.48 mph
9.307 1000
11.080@127.74
Needless to say the car ran a little bit better than run which REALLY PISSED the CRX people off :)

Next run was against Scuba steve in his WRX STI
.375 r/t
1.666 60ft
4.690 330
7.208 1/8
98.34 mph
9.338 1000
11.150@124.57.. knocked at the top end and killed the mph but i still managed to barely i mean just barely beat his 11.165@127.31.. It was a great race! And it was fun staring over at his door while going 130mph.

Now the next race was against the boulder nissan 350z and he had been running consistent 10.3's. And continued to run 10.3's when he raced me. :(
but i put up a decent fight :)
.262 r/t
1.673 60ft
4.564 330
6.970 1/8
102.83 mph
9.023 1000
10.767@128.90.. almost 129 :).. I lost to the boulder z's 10.309@133.30

Overall with less than 2 hours of dyno time and hardly any track time I am more than happy with where the car is at.
I really don't think i can thank all of the people that made this weekend possible for me ENOUGH!!!
But Thank you all VERY much for getting this nightmare done and running awesome, Lucas, Shane, Doug, Dave, Brian, Rod (aka nitrous junky), and everyone that was at the track today thanks for helping me get my car down the track, and for supporting (and sponsoring (RMDSM) ) heads up racing in COLORADO!!!!

Thanks again
MARK

[sweck]

I'd like to be the first to give mark a big congrats on going 10.76 in his evo! That's the first evo in colorado to go 10s, and the second colorado owned mitsu (that I know of) to run 10s at bandimere! Good job bro!

[-EpicEVO-]

I'd like to be the first to give mark a big congrats on going 10.76 in his evo! That's the first evo in colorado to go 10s, and the second colorado owned mitsu (that I know of) to run 10s at bandimere! Good job bro!

Thanks dude i think we were both posting at the same time.. But Thank you for working late and helping get this thing done!

MARK

[Mike Patrick]

Those are some strong numbers for a car that's just getting set up. Congratulations! It will be interesting to see what it does when you get it where you want it in terms of tune and setup.

[v413nc3]

I really hate the runs where you have bugs to be worked out. But it sounds like the guys at Carz took care of you! They've always been a huge help to me. Congrats on the 10!

[-EpicEVO-]

Wow... some fast 4g63 powered cars!

We were there for the USP Series.

I missed first round because I lost fuel pressure right after I unloaded the car.

Changed out the feeder pump, still no pressure.

Tore the regulator apart and found a piece of hose liner on the check ball.

Cleaned that off, got it back together in time for 2nd round qualifying.

I tried the DSMLink 2 step for the first time and bogged it. It will take a getting used to, but it IS a much milder launch than the MSD 2 step.

I ran a 12.2 @ 131.99 :D and now have a Bandimere 130 MPH club sticker on the car.

First round of eliminations all hell broke loose. I was paired with Lucas from Carz, I bogged the launch (but not as bad) and I was trying to run him down.

I shifted into 4th and nothing. The motor rev'd free and then started running rough. I had no reverse when I got back to the pits.

Pulled the valve cover and #4 tossed 1 intake rocker and #1 tossed both intake rockers.

So, we'll get the top end put back together and see what's up with that (compression & leak down). After that, then I'll drop the trans and see how bad the damage is.

I'm pretty optimistic right now, there's no smoke or blow by. But, that could change after I get the rockers all back in it.

The car makes awesome power, I just need to adjust the nut behind the wheel.

Hal

I want that 130MPH STICKER!!!

[DynoDude]

Well I can say it has been a rather interesting week for me. Glad we were able to get it running again for you. I was planning on hooking my nitrous up on saturday but wanted to make sure our current points leader/sponsored driver/awesome customer has his Evo somewhat tuned for today and we did just that. Now we will get her dialed in this coming month.

Congrats Mark!

The Silver Evo... Well we are working on it on the side when not working on Marks Evo and managed to make low to mid 11 second passes with a fubared tranny that I will be sending to Jack here shortly for a upgrade/rebuild. The drag radials are freakin sweet and hook up well. I made four passes today and all of them were low 1.6xx 60'. In fact I had a 1.600 60' pass. I suppose we could have lowered the tire pressure from 20psi down to 15psi and possibly a 1.5xx whould have showed up on my timeslip, either that or a broken axle. :eek:

Hal, great race. I kept looking for that 130mph beast to possibly go around me at the top end of the track.

Dave, thanks for hanging out and supporting our team, let's get your Evo under the knife now... :D

[Mirage]

Congrats Mark on the 10.7. You can attest that it's hard to drive an H-pattern trans into the 10's and be somewhat consistant.

Looks like I'm gonna have to step up the build on my car in order to stay on top.

There are a lot of fast cars out there this year. I just wish I could be out there with everyone.

I can only imagine what next year will bring...

Marcus

[DlandryTSI]

All I have to say is this was how an event is supposed to run. Bandimere I think actually understood all the complaints from the last few events as far as how long it took to run the classes through.

Mark that was an awesome job getting the evo into the 10's and still being able to drive it home.

Lucas its nice to see that car running at the track. Hopefully with a fresh trans that one can also be in the 10's. ;)

I'm close to having the 1g done. I could have had it completed in time for sunday but the heat was starting to get to me during the afternoon on saturday.

Great job to all of those that ran on Sunday. Hopefully everyone that ran can be at the next event.

--Dave

[-EpicEVO-]

Thanks for the compliments everyone! I know the car has a lot more capability and we will get it dialed in for the next race hopefully and maybe even make a test and tune..

The car was at around 29psi and a 100shot on the last pass, but the knock control was on and i could really feel when it cleaned itself out in forth gear, and then it pulled real hard!

MARK

[MidnightTSI]

Thanks for the compliments everyone! I know the car has a lot more capability and we will get it dialed in for the next race hopefully and maybe even make a test and tune..

MARK

Congrats on getting into the 10's! Hopefully I can make it to the next event so I can see some great passes :)

[Hal]

Well, I fired it back up, it doesn't "smoke", run poorly or appear to have any more blowby than it had before.

Compression is down in 3 cylinders, but that may be a combination of a weak battery and a cold motor.

Tomorrow, I'll put the belts back on it and test it after it warms up.

The trans is a different story, we already know that it's messed up so that will get dropped this weekend.

At this point, I should still be able to make the final USP series race in October.

Hal

[-EpicEVO-]

Well, I fired it back up, it doesn't "smoke", run poorly or appear to have any more blowby than it had before.

Compression is down in 3 cylinders, but that may be a combination of a weak battery and a cold motor.

Tomorrow, I'll put the belts back on it and test it after it warms up.

The trans is a different story, we already know that it's messed up so that will get dropped this weekend.

At this point, I should still be able to make the final USP series race in October.

Hal

Lucas and I are going to try and get both of our cars dialed in a little bit better for that race also!!

Jack should be rebuilding lucas's trans i think and lucas can speak for himself but i think he might have another plan with his car by that race also..

Myself, well i want to get the car to where it starts everytime i try and get it tuned to run low11's no bottle a low 10's on the bottle..

Hope to see some other DSM's out at pueble ... AKA no tech process pueblo.. (ahem outlawstar ahem).. LoL

MARK

[talontsi]

Well, I fired it back up, it doesn't "smoke", run poorly or appear to have any more blowby than it had before.

Compression is down in 3 cylinders, but that may be a combination of a weak battery and a cold motor.

Tomorrow, I'll put the belts back on it and test it after it warms up.

The trans is a different story, we already know that it's messed up so that will get dropped this weekend.

At this point, I should still be able to make the final USP series race in October.

Hal
Wow, I hope you have consistant numbers when you get the belts on and a charged battery. Which transmission are you running? I cant wait to see you make a clean pass. Congrats again on the 130mph sticker. Hopefully I can get my car ready for Oct. as well.

[DlandryTSI]

Why not?

--Dave

[v413nc3]

I only want to make a few passes to see what it'll run, I dont want to pay the $100 to enter a usp event and then just get DQ'd for no cage.


Can't really fault you for that. $100 is a lot to piss away when you know you'll be DQ'd for no safety equipment. Good luck with the runs and hopefully you'll be posting some great numbers.

[sweck]

Thanks for the compliments everyone! I know the car has a lot more capability and we will get it dialed in for the next race hopefully and maybe even make a test and tune..

The car was at around 29psi and a 100shot on the last pass, but the knock control was on and i could really feel when it cleaned itself out in forth gear, and then it pulled real hard!

MARK

Haha not to mention you a/f's are in the mid to low 10s range during almost the entire datalog. There is a lot more power to be found, even at your current boost levels.

[-EpicEVO-]

Haha not to mention you a/f's are in the mid to low 10s range during almost the entire datalog. There is a lot more power to be found, even at your current boost levels.

:).....
YEaaaaHHH!! should be a interesting final event!!

MARK

[Hal]

Leak down shows leakage between 3/4 and #2 leaks to the crank case.

I'll pull the head and check it out.

Right now, still on track to be ready for the next event.

Hal

[Hal]

Got the head off.

3 cylinders have leaking intake valves, and the 4th as leaking exhaust valves.

I'll drop it off at the head place tomorrow.

It looks like two freeze plugs in the back of the block are seeping, so I'll replace those as well.

This weekend the new rear LSD unit goes in and the trans comes out.

Hal

[Hal]

It's a Shep stage "iv" with a Kaaz front LSD.

I got it used, so no warranty.

The cams are Crower 414's.

Hal

[-EpicEVO-]

It's a Shep stage "iv" with a Kaaz front LSD.

I got it used, so no warranty.

The cams are Crower 414's.

Hal

Get it put together and hook up the spray!! I want to see that car go 140!!!

MARK

[Hal]

Get it put together and hook up the spray!! I want to see that car go 140!!!

MARK

140... hah

Don't hold your breath.

I'd need another 110 awhp to make that, and I'm not too sure how things would hold up at that level (about 720 awhp)

Hal

[DynoDude]

Get it put together and hook up the spray!! I want to see that car go 140!!!

MARK

Can you say Parachute??? :eek:

[-EpicEVO-]

140... hah

Don't hold your breath.

I'd need another 110 awhp to make that, and I'm not too sure how things would hold up at that level (about 720 awhp)

Hal

Well your kit is jetted for 100 shot right? even at 50% of that hundo you would probably be at around 100 whp..

Well i think it would be fun to try :).. That way maybe one of us dsm/evo guys can finally get into a #1 qualifier or win at pueblo. Plenty of potential...

MARK

[v413nc3]

Ya know Hal, I always have a direct bolt on replacement for your turbo that's ~20lb/min more ;)

[Hal]

It's actually jetting for 140 on E85 :D

There's a lot left in this setup, I ran 32 psi last Sunday and pulled just a bit of timing out.

Oh, and if I break 135 I'll have to go through the NHRA competition license process.

Hal

[-EpicEVO-]

It's actually jetting for 140 on E85 :D

There's a lot left in this setup, I ran 32 psi last Sunday and pulled just a bit of timing out.

Oh, and if I break 135 I'll have to go through the NHRA competition license process.

Hal

I'm hoping to have to go through that process also. Hopefully before next year so when i compete at nopi everything will be ok.

MARK

[Hal]

I got the rear LSD in the car today.

Later today, I'll pop out the leaking freeze plugs and prep the block surface for the gasket.

Hal

[v413nc3]

Stock I believe. The rear he had in there was an open.

[Hal]

Yes, I put an OEM LSD in the rear.

The trans came out today and we tore it down to swap out center diffs.

We put on oem two spider in it (so it can get welded) and put the four spider that was in it, on the shelf.

The was some minor damage, the keeper spring was busted on the case side of the 5th gear hub and the brass "idler" that the keepers engage is pretty trashed.

No obvious damage to the rest of the gears, so I must have missed 4th :(

Here's the spring:

[Hal]

I've decided to toss the oem belt driven water pump.

I'm not going to risk ruining a motor because of a tossed belt.

I'll do an electric water pump and toss the power steering.

That leaves only one belt, driving the alternator.

Hal

[biglady112]

Yah Hal. I'm gald to hear that. I could see how frustrating it was for you when you drove the car on the trailer. Now no more issues with the belts. Yippee. Now you can improve on Dave's design and make it look as sweet as you always do.

Steven

[Jack(IAT)]

I can't see why someone would go through so much trouble when there is obviously something else (probably simple) going on to toss the belts like that. I never had that issue and neither has anyone else that I know of. I'm one for simplicity since I like my car to be reliable, so building a complex system to fix a simple problem doesn’t make much sense to me... I made it down the track every time and never tossed a belt. My brother had over 9k miles on his 2.4 and Outlaw has over 6k now and no issues either, if you want to talk about other high HP cars. Tossing belts just isn't an issue :shrug:

I know why that spring is broken in the trans. Did you also inspect the others?

Jack

[v413nc3]

Hal has a complex belt system over there, and the location of some of those pullies is probably less than idea. Not to mention considerably differenat than the cars you mentioned. I'd say the electric is a simple fix as well as freeing up some HP. I can see where you're coming from with the comment Jack but I don't think I'd be the one that would want to figure out the issue on that side of Hal's engine bay, that shit is considerably complex.

[Hal]

I know why it's being tossed, I just don't have a solution and there are other guys (with 2g rear alternator conversions) having the same problem.

You see, you have to drive the alt. off of the rear pulley. You can also use the rear pulley to power the water pump but that seriously over drives the pump.

So, you can use the front pulley, but you have nothing to tension the belt unless you relocate the p/s pump to the outer pulley.

What we're seeing is that under high rpm load, the p/s bracket is actually twisting which causes the belt to run off the pulley.

My oem bracket bent so badly, you could actually see the deflection angle.

I've tried to reinforce it, and even added a brace, but nothing has helped.

So, it's either an electric pump, put the alt back up front (no room), machine a custom pulley for the water pump (came very close to doing this), or machine a bracket from billet stock (I'll pass on this one).

Hal

[Jack(IAT)]

Okay, I was just curious. The car looks well done but I have just been scratching my head as to why it is having a rash of problems lately.

Jack

[v413nc3]

Hal enjoys complexity apparently :)

[Hal]

Okay, I was just curious. The car looks well done but I have just been scratching my head as to why it is having a rash of problems lately.

Jack

Call it "teething" problems.

After all, this is the first time since 2002 that the car has been to the track and I'm just working out the "bugs".

Last time it was a 2.0 60-1 and ran 122, so to run 131 (@ pueblo) right out of the box on this new 2.3/GT40R and to keep faster (131.99 @ Bandimere) is pretty good.

Truth be told, I'm pretty happy with the progress so far.

Hal

[Jack(IAT)]

As long as you are happy with the car and having fun with it, that's all that counts! Good luck, hope you get everything worked out soon :)

Jack

[Hal]

The word on the head is 6 bent valves.

The intake guides are all shot (wear) and the exhaust guides are marginal.

It will be ready for me to pick up tomorrow.

So, it looks like this weekend will be spent putting everything but the trans back on the car.

I kind of pissed about the guides since the head was supposed to have been "new". But knowing what I know now about the person who did the work, it doesn't surprise me.

Hal

[talontsi]

How many of those 6 valves were intake/exhaust? Factory guides?

[Hal]

All of the guides were OEM, four intake valves and two exhaust valves.

The new freeze plugs are in the block, and todays tech tip is to use Loctite sleeve locker on them ;)

The water pump block off plate is at the shop getting a -16 fitting welded to it.

This weekend (next at the latest), I should have everything but the trans and water pump all back together.

[Hal]

I picked up the head today and the axles arrived... to bad they are the wrong ones.

Oh well, correct ones are on the way and these are going back.

The water pump is all wired up and the power steering is now history.

Hal

[talontsi]

... the power steering is now history.

Hal
Did you swap it with a manual rack, or did you loop the line? I would like to see pics of the water pump too!

[Hal]

I just looped the lines.

I still need to fab a bracket that connects the pump to the block.

[Hal]

I *finally* found the log file from the run with Lucas and now I know for sure what happened:

DSMLink log file (http://206.124.12.138/10k.dat)

[biglady112]

Whoops. Second gear for the win. Only seen 10000+rpm once before myself. Tuning pull in someones elses car and a misshift. Considering the log, the damage was not too bad. Time for that 10 second pass.

Steven

[Hal]

Today, I got the head/intake installed.

I have a little bit of fabrication to do then I'll degree the cams.

Oh yeah... I expect to bring the barstool out to Pueblo too.

Hal

[-EpicEVO-]

Today, I got the head/intake installed.

I have a little bit of fabrication to do then I'll degree the cams.

Oh yeah... I expect to bring the barstool out to Pueblo too.

Hal

Well hopefully i will have something to keep up with the eclipse in, but there is no way i have any pit toy to compete with the barstool

Mark

[Hal]

Finished the water pump install and fabricated the new lower radiator line.

Had to relocate the o2 sensor since it tried to occupy the same space as the water pump. Luckily, I had a bung and a plug in my parts pile so it was just a 30 minute task.

Only thing left is the trans, fuel lines, i/c piping, and under hood electrical connections.

Trans should go in tomorrow or wednesday.

Hal

[-EpicEVO-]

Finished the water pump install and fabricated the new lower radiator line.

Had to relocate the o2 sensor since it tried to occupy the same space as the water pump. Luckily, I had a bung and a plug in my parts pile so it was just a 30 minute task.

Only thing left is the trans, fuel lines, i/c piping, and under hood electrical connections.

Trans should go in tomorrow or wednesday.

Hal

Me and hal in the final??

Hal are you going to spray?

Mark

[Hal]

Me and hal in the final??

Hal are you going to spray?

Mark

Nope, no spray at the track until I do a "high torque" triple disc and DOT's.

When the back end steps out on the 2/3 under just boost, I can only imagine what would happen on the bottle.

Hal

[Hal]

The trans is back in the car.

So, I guess we'll see how the addition of a rear lsd and a welded center helps with the wheel spin.

Hal

[-EpicEVO-]

The trans is back in the car.

So, I guess we'll see how the addition of a rear lsd and a welded center helps with the wheel spin.

Hal

So your going to trap 135+ and get a 1.6 60ft time..

Mark

[Hal]

So your going to trap 135+ and get a 1.6 60ft time..

Mark

I think I'd be happy with 1.8's on the Nitto 450's.

Dunno about the 135, but we'll see.

It's going to be cooling off, so the potential is there without having to adjust the boost or the tune.

If it doesn't do 135 @ Pueblo, I bet it does it when I take it to Tuscon in November.

Hal

[Hal]

It runs.

Just need to bleed the clutch and tidy up a couple of things.

Looking good for tomorrow.

Hal