FMIC options

[hoffman]

ok, for the new project car i'm going to install an FMIC(duh, be pretty stupid not to). any crap, i'm leaning toward the DSM performance FMIC. mainly due to cost and its top to bottom setup. i plan on running this with a BIG 28/28, 660s, 3" turbo back...etc. if anyone has an idea for a better cost effective FMIC, i'm all ears. and yes money is an option :( , so no cores over 1k.

art

[DlandryTSI]

Well that throws the buschur kit out the window........ I've seen people use the greddy/spearco kits but I have no idea on their ratings.

--Dave

[dllesser]

Other then the greddy fmic for the 2g that one seems to be the best. On a 1g you could go with a some buget one for like 800 with the pipes. Sounds like this is going to be a 12 sec car. :)

[hoffman]

i wan't to set it up as a multi-purpose car. it will be daily driven, so thats part of the reason for picking such a small FMIC. also with an aquamist 2s kit, i can't see a reason for such a large FMIC. i'd love to get it into the 12s. i'll probably need a little help from our friends at NOS. :D

art

[DlandryTSI]

Hehe wanna race? :D

--Dave

[hoffman]

once i get the new car, and get it set up, damn skippy. does Hal use his water injection on the strip?

art

[DlandryTSI]

Street and strip. I might do it in the future if I need to. I highly doubt it though with that big turbo, IC and NOS :)

--Dave

[hoffman]

thats why i'm going with the BIG 28/28. it flows like a BIG 16g, but spools like a T-15.:D the test cars from FP both ran high 11s, with FMIC, 550s, act 2600, and in oklahoma. so with the elevation difference, i think i can get 12s.

art

[DlandryTSI]

I'll be in the 11's so you have a ways to go buddy :). Hmm maybe I'll give you a 2 second head start and run a 10 :)

--Dave

[hoffman]

with some internal mods, ITC, and NOS. there is a slight chance i could take ya. if you bog the launch, miss shift or blown motor.:(

art

[DlandryTSI]

Hehe we will see ;-)

--Dave
Gotta love this BB system

[hoffman]

well remind me not to line up next to you during heads up racing.:D maybe i'll get Glazer to come out here and run ya.:D

art
"knows the big boys"

[DlandryTSI]

John Shepherd will be here next year for IDRC so thats plenty :cool:

--Dave

[hoffman]

yeah but street class can also use slicks now. so it will be awesome to see him and Ari run. i wonder who else is coming out.

art
"atleast i'll be faster than the hondas":p

[Van]

Originally posted by hoffmangst
ok, for the new project car i'm going to install an FMIC if anyone has an idea for a better cost effective FMIC,

Check out this site, you have a 2G right? Hit him up and ask him about his 2g FMIC set-up progress...
Notice the parts used, the pics and THEN look at the prices. Very nice set-ups for the cost. Their race core will be on my car just as soon as I can...

http://pages.cfu.net/~static/ken/

[hoffman]

i have found salvation. :eek: $350 for a big black race core(got to go stealth).

art :D
"big shit eating grin"

[hoffman]

the only thing i'm trying to figure out is how they will rout the LIC pipe. especially for a "T" type turbo or even a MUTT. guess there is going to be a "U" pipe in there somewhere.

art

[DlandryTSI]

Looks like it would be the same setup as the buschur kit which would come with a J pipe.

--Dave

[hoffman]

the endtank on the right routs under the intake pipe(so i have to relocate the radiator resivour(sp?)), but the left tank will have to rout in front of the fans(might be time for some SPALs:) ) and then drop down and around to the compressor outlet. i'm waiting for Ken to write back on how this will work on a 2g. if it looks like a big pain in the ass, i'll just go with the DSM-perfomance FMIC(as seen below).

art

[hoffman]

the endtank on the right routs under the intake pipe(so i have to relocate the radiator resivour(sp?)), but the left tank will have to rout in front of the fans(might be time for some SPALs:) ) and then drop down and around to the compressor outlet. i'm waiting for Ken to write back on how this will work on a 2g. if it looks like a big pain in the ass, i'll just go with the DSM-perfomance FMIC(as seen below).

art
"love the attachments"

[DlandryTSI]

On a 2g that would be a pain in the ass so I would not even try the bushur style end tanks.

The top to bottom cores really are not that good so I would personally recommend you find a side to side core.

--Dave

[hoffman]

well ken at indy race cores wrote back and he said they are trying out there prototype 2g core this weekend. what i really want is the new Hahn core(inlet and outlet are on the right side). man that would be an easy intall.

but i also retract my previous statement about seting up with a BIG 28/28. i thought about and thought about, and then i thought some more. everyone always says they get bored of thier turbo and want something bigger. so i think i'm going to go BIG. being a 2g, i'm really leaning toward a MUTT 4. since i have no experience with the big turbos other than how it feals when you ride in a car with one, again input is welcome. i do know a mitsu turbo swap in a 2g is a royal pain(yes i've done swaps). so thats my reason behind a MUTT.

art
"i want to brag about 400 at the wheels too"

[DlandryTSI]

20G baby :)

--Dave

[hoffman]

which one...the Buschur 20g that in theory supports over 500hp at the wheels? yeah, Rob said the same thing. but i want something with a lot more streetablity.

art

[Van]

Originally posted by hoffmangst
being a 2g, i'm really leaning toward a MUTT 4.

Hmmmm, you know that they renamed their turbos, again, and added a few more levels...

I have what used to be called a MF1 L3, this is now called the ETA32. :rolleyes:

So when you say level 4 are you talking about the ETE32? Which is simply the same turbo I have, but with the TO4E comp. housing. Or do you mean the old level 4 which contained the Garrett 60-1 trim comp. wheel? This is the same comp. wheel as in the FP RED **I think,** Dave?
The map for this wheel has very steep efficiency islands to it, but can move alot of air up top. The 50-trim comp. wheel in the ete32 and eta32 has large, wide efficiency islands that span a huge range of lbs/min air movement wise and makes for a really good turbo on the 4g63.
I'll tell you about my L3.
So far my ete32:rolleyes: has performed flawlessly, full steady 22 psi before 3800 rpm. This to me is streetable and is much preferred over a turbo that annoyingly spools-up while cruising. Only problem thus far has been my 550's are maxed out at 22 psi, 21ms IPW at 6000 rpm. Some 625's or 660's are in short order, but I can keep knock sums fairly low at 22 psi on 91 octane. This is why I mentioned the race core earlier. :D I think my HKS fmic is maxed out with this turbo too.
The car hauls ass, almost scary and a third gear drop at highway speeds is phenominal. But I went from the 14b to this turbo, after most other supporting mods were already in place. And I got it way cheaper in a GB. The internal gate is fine so far and the porting was very nice. I have run as low as 10 psi on my set-up with zero creep.

BTW - The install on a 2g seems much less painful than installing this on a 1g from what I've read. And with the bigger ETE housing, be prepared to dent your big water pipe halfway in, easily! Mine is dented about 25% of the way in with the ETA's housing.

[hoffman]

i guess i should have put it down as ETA32. i've gone to dsm.talk and read everything about the installs on 2g's, how the car runs, feels, spools with certain setups. about as much info as i can gather. i really think this is the setup i want unless i stuble upon a 20g that can perform the same way...only cheaper. someone on dsm.talk mentioned bending the waterpipe out of the way, and hes had know problems. which fans did you end up using since the stock fans are so big?

art
"still exploring options"

[DlandryTSI]

ETA32?? Odd name. I thought that "Red" was a crazy name but oh well. I'm not sure on the trims with the FP red. All I know is that it has a .89-91 a/r ratio. This turbo is very streetable. You really have to put your foot into it to get it to spool but it handles really well. Just don't use 30psi on the freeway in traffic....

PS Art: Hal is selling his fmic kit if your interested. Look at the other thread.

--Dave

[hoffman]

way ahead of ya.

just like our next race:p

art
"maybe against the neon"

[GSXMonster]

Art and Dave talk way tooooooo much... Get an an instant messenger lozers...! ;P Heh.
Rob