420A clutch install

[hoffman]

anyone ever have to do this? Patrick Wilcox fryed his clutch so he bought a new one. this thing is wierd looking to say the least. if you know a post to a FAQ, please post it.

art

[DlandryTSI]

Hehe. I hope its not a modular clutch (clutch and flywheel are one piece). Some are modular which i hear is a royal PITA to install. Others are the standard non modular style.

--Dave

[hoffman]

ha ha, it is a modular clutch. thats why i'm trying to find a FAQ.

art

[DlandryTSI]

Is there a modular one on the car???

I can't find a faq on the neons.org site.

--Dave

[hoffman]

i think its a clutch masters stage 2 clutch. i do know the damn think cost twice as much as an act 2600. i checked all over 2gnt.com and got nothing.

art

[DlandryTSI]

What about the shop manual. There might be something in there perhaps. Damn 420A motors UGH.....

--Dave

[hoffman]

good call. but i know Patrick doesn't have one. and i'm not going to spring for one since its not my car or even type of car.

art
"reading is fundamental, get a shop manual":rolleyes:

[hoffman]

this turning out to be a royal pain in the ass. there is a bolt directly under one of the shifter cables. we(ok, I) broke a 1/2" ratchet. we(i mean Rob) broke a hammer and 5 CV boots. i think there is also a broken 8" extension. i'm not even counting knuckles or feelings. i'm going to write a letter to Lee Iakoca and politley tell him his engineers suck.

art
"6 hours later and the tranny is still on":mad:

[DlandryTSI]

Well I didn't do my clutch install with the motor in the bay ;-).

PS: Don't let rob near a hammer :rolleyes:

--Dave

[hoffman]

well the good news is the clutch is on. i'll let Rob explain the rest, cause this is kind of(well not to Patrick) funny.

art
"glad its not my car"

[BoostedGS]

Funny?? I see nothing funny about this Art!

I'll finish the story.....

After we finally got the new clutch installed (it's a Centerforce Dual Friction, not a Clutchmasters) we needed to replace the axle seals. We tried to use the hammer that already had one broken tooth. Well, Rob broke the other one off, and it fell INSIDE THE TRANNY!!

So, we had to take the tranny apart to retrieve the broken tooth. Then came the fun part, trying to put the 2 sides of the tranny back together. There are about a million gears and rods inside that have to line up perfectly. While trying to get everything to line up correctly, we broke one of the bearing races. Stupid piece of sh** was plastic!

So, I'm gonna go visit Phil Long Mitsu today and get a new one (special order is my guess). Then Rob, Art, and I have to decide if we want to try it again, or take it somewhere to be reassembled.

All I can say is this clutch better last me until the end of time because I'm NOT doing this again!! I'm sure Rob and Art will agree with me!

Patrick
BoostedGS

[DlandryTSI]

Thats what I've noticed about the 420A's. On the SOHC models everything is plasting. Intake mani, spacers between the rocker arms, etc. I'm really surprised how much abuse these cars can handle. I've got a centerforce dual friction in the neon. Be ready for when it grabs ;-). Before I did the rebuild the car would not even break the tires loose in wet weather. Now its just as easy of mashing the gas in 1st with the clutch all the way out.

--Dave

[hoffman]

your right, its not FUNNY:D , but it is funny:) . i think your car just has something against Rob and I. christ, you remember the other install.

art
"bout time you signed on"

[BoostedGS]

It's not just you. It has something against me too. I don't know why, I've been so nice to it!

And the other install wasn't THAT BAD, was it?? :p


Patrick
BoostedGS

--glad to be here!

[hoffman]

ha, i'm the first full blown member baby!!!
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were you not there for the last one? remember the FPR? remember the pump install? how about getting your old FPR off?


art
"glad i've got a 4g63"

[BoostedGS]

YOU'RE the first full blown member??? How do you figure?? I think if anyone, Rob should be! And next would be me! :D

Yeah, I was there. I vaguely remember that stuff. I've tried to block it out! Too painful! :)

Patrick
BoostedGS

--420A and proud of it!!

[DlandryTSI]

Hey Patrick wanna race my neon :D ?

--Dave

[BoostedGS]

Yes Dave, I'll take you up on that. But what does your neon have now? You don't even have the nitrous on it anymore, do you?

Have you heard what I've done with my GS?

Patrick

[hoffman]

i think Dave will take ya:p

art
"always faster than a car on stands"

[DlandryTSI]

Bone stock with the 9.8:1 pistons :D

--Dave

[BoostedGS]

Bone stock, huh?? Either you are lying to me, or you're crazy! :)

Patrick

P.S.- no comments from the Peanut gallery...Art! :p

[hoffman]

comment:D


art

[DlandryTSI]

hehehe :) Maybe this season I'll put it back on the strip one night and see what it runs. Gotta bring the old tires and burn em up :)

--Dave

[BoostedGS]

Forgive me if I don't believe you. I doubt you'll leave the TSi at home so you can take the Neon to Bandi! :)

It won't be long before it's springtime and everyone will be itching to hit the track! If we ever get my car running, I'll be excited too!

Patrick

-- is that bearing race REALLY necessary??? :D

[hoffman]

try and find a matching metal one.

art

[BoostedGS]

Trust me, I will! I don't to have that cheap piece of sh** break twice! I think I'm still gonna take it to Western Transmission to have them reassemble it though. What do you think?

Patrick

P.S.- Dave, what do I have to do to become a member and lose "junior member" status???

[DlandryTSI]

You gotta post a lot :).

--Dave

[BoostedGS]

Well, I ordered the parts I needed yesterday. 4 dust boots that we ripped taking the axles out, and the bearing race. The total from Phil Long Mitsu here in the Springs....$111. The total from Mile High with CoDSM discount....$68.

They said it will take about 3 days to get the parts in, then they will ship everything to me. So hopefully I'll have the parts by this weekend and we can finish this damn project!

Patrick

[hoffman]

i wonder why we never seem to have all the parts before we start a project? we didn't plan on some aspects going wrong, but there are somethings you can plan on needing.

[BoostedGS]

I don't know, but you're right, we NEVER have everything we need at the beginning of a project. Me, you, and Rob need to put all our tools in one garage. Then we should have every tool we'll ever need.

As far as parts go, who knows what we're gonna break next! I'll settle for not breaking any more tools and having the broken pieces cause problems!! :mad:

Patrick

[hoffman]

well we knew we were going to bust the dust boots. and since we had to drain the tranny, why not get some sincroshift(sp?).

tools....thats another matter. if we all had access to 1 garage i could see how storing tools would be ok. but if your gone and i want to replace something, well how am i going to get at my tools?

we need to hit the lotto!:D

[BoostedGS]

Well, Rob said, "maybe they'll be okay." But we both knew we would break them, we broke them last time we worked on the suspension.

Rob wasn't sure if we could use BG Synchroshift or not. He said that my engine takes GL4 or whatever it's called. And BG Synchroshift is GL5. I asked the Mitsu service dept and they said to use standard 80/90, so that's what I got. I would rather use BG Synchroshift too, but I don't want to mess anything up.

Dave - did you ever change your tranny fluid in the Neon??

I wish I could get my garage door to program into your visor. Then you could use my garage when I'm gone because you can already get in the gate. But for some reason the garage won't program onto mine.

Hit the lottery, huh? I'm doing my part...buying a ticket! :D

Patrick

[GSXMonster]

Hey Art! Why you lieing about your car and its mods???? YOU DONT HAVE A GSX OR A MUTT! ;P
Rob

[DlandryTSI]

Originally posted by BoostedGS


Dave - did you ever change your tranny fluid in the Neon??

Patrick

Yup I've got royal purple in the car right now. Man what a difference :).

--Dave

[BoostedGS]

Dave- where did your buy it/order it from? How much per quart? How many quarts will I need?

I have to wait until the parts come in anyway, so I have some down time to order it if I need to.

Thanks,
Patrick

**I wanna do this right, because I'm NOT doing it again!** :D

[DlandryTSI]

Some Napa stores cary the 75W90 royal purple blend. I believe is $10/quart but I'm not sure since its been a while. I just fill it up till it starts pouring out the fill plug. so around 3.5 quarts.

--Dave