11/10 second cars next year

[DlandryTSI]

Well I got to thinking about who all is going to be running next year and here is what I've come up with.

Who Times
Me 11-10 seconds
Hal 11-10 seconds
Dan 11-10 seconds
Gabe 11's if his car is finished
Robert hehe who knows..

Any others you guys can think of?

--Dave

[hoffman]

i'm really hoping that by the end of the season i'll have everything in my car. the only parts i don't have yet are:

new car(most important part)
new turbo(waiting on loan approval)
1g head and intake manny.
fuel stuff, injectors, pump, FPR
fmic- got to drop off some money first

to me this is a small list, and could easily be accomplished by summer if the gods are with me.

[BoostedGS]

I'm shooting for anything in the 13.xx range this summer. I know the GS isn't there yet, but I have a couple more mods planned before the start of the racing season.

What is the fastest ET for a FWD in CoDSM?? ;)

Patrick

[GSXMonster]

I dont care what it runs, as long as it runs. Im thinking 15's would be nice... ;p
Rob -aim low

[DlandryTSI]

I think nick reining did a high 13 with his.

--Dave

[BoostedGS]

I would LOVE to have the fastest FWD on the CoDSM list with a GS!! Then maybe those select few people on the CoDSM list will stop telling people that own an RS, GS, ESi, etc that they need to buy a 4g63 if they want to go fast!

Patrick

[DlandryTSI]

I could always turbo my neon and give you a run for your money :). What does your car weigh patrick? Mine is just over 2600.

--Dave

[BoostedGS]

My car weighs about 3000, plus me and my stereo, but my subwoofer box is easily removed.

Actually, I WANT to race another turbocharged 420A. Art said that he saw a guy on the army base down here that drives a black GS with the Star Performance turbo kit and a FMIC. Maybe he can arrange a race for me.

There's also a guy in Denver I think that has a HRC kit on his GS. I think he's on the CoDSM list, but I've never seen him post about it. I've just seen Cody Greenwood post telling everyone that he just got it finished a few months ago.

Patrick

[GSXMonster]

Im sure Patricks car weighs in around 3300 pounds with all the stereo shtuff in the trunk... Pat would win anyways though, because your bearing race in your neons tranmission would give out... its friggin plastic! ;p hhahahaha... Theres a red, supercharged neon with a body kit here in colorado springs... Its pretty damn slow. :)
Rob

[BoostedGS]

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

Ain't that the truth! I can not believe that bearing race is plastic! The other ones in the tranny are metal. And no such luck with the replacement being metal, it's plastic too. :mad:

Patrick

[DlandryTSI]

Hmm I can powershift this tranny really easily so I doubt thats going out :)

--Dave

[BoostedGS]

How many miles do you have on your Neon? When did you raise your compression? What pistons did you go with?

Patrick

[DlandryTSI]

The chassis has 70,100 miles on it and the motor has 8k miles. The stock compression was 9.8:1 and the pistons that I bought were a full 10:1. Thats all they made for .020 over.

--Dave

[BoostedGS]

Does 10:1 compression feel a lot different?? I thought stock compression in our cars was 9.6:1. Do we have slightly different engines? What year is your Neon?

Someday down the road I want to put stronger pistons and rods in and lower my compression a little so I can run more boost.

--Patrick

[DlandryTSI]

Mines a 98. The top end feels a bit stronger. I've maxed it out at 110mph in 4th gear w/o touching 5th. Before it struggled to get to 110mph. It pulls pretty nicely though......

--Dave

[hoffman]

Originally posted by GSXMonster
[Theres a red, supercharged neon with a body kit here in colorado springs... Its pretty damn slow. :)
Rob [/B]

yeah, i've raced that kid on S. Academy. it faster than the average Neon. but he can touch this(flex'n). any crap, if he pulls out all the sterio mess, the ass would lift 2" for better aerodynamics too.:p then all he needs are my tires.:p

art

p.s.- rob, that should be 'big brother' not 'your daddy' with that camera.

[john]

Gabe is selling his car, AFAIK.
Add these to the list. :)
Norm, 10 seconds
Salmi, 10 seconds

Sure, we ain't DSM but so what. We still love you guys... :):):)

Dan says Rylands car (FWD, 20g, cams) pulls harder at 20psi than the 2litre did at 25psi. FWD into the 11s. :)

[hoffman]

how is Norm anyway? i've tryed to email him a couple of times with no luck. i probably have the wrong address. so what has he done to the new car?

p.s. i have the mpg of you 2 at bandi. have any more? or know of a good link with mpgs you can leech?

[DlandryTSI]

Maybe Dan just forgot what real power is :)

--Dave


Originally posted by john

Dan says Rylands car (FWD, 20g, cams) pulls harder at 20psi than the 2litre did at 25psi. FWD into the 11s. :)

[Van]

No predictions from me. I don't want to jinx anything.
I'd like to get some HKS cams and 660's installed before the track opens though.

When does the track open?

[Erron Spalsbury]

<cough,cough> We will see what happens. If the carbon fiber thing with Mike works out then i should be under 3k lbs. If the car holds up like it did out at SC then i should have a pretty good time. I still need light weight wheels though, at 55 lbs with rubber each, the only records i'm gonna break will be the number of t-cases destroyed in one season. :p

Erron

[GSXMonster]

at 55 lbs with rubber each, the only records i'm gonna break will be the number of t-cases destroyed in one season.

Im nipping at your heels with wheels that weigh in at 48lbs... 5Zigen Copse, with 235/40/17 Nitto 555 Drag radials... :)
Rob

[DSMxTSi]

There's also a guy in Denver I think that has a HRC kit on his GS. I think he's on the CoDSM list, but I've never seen him post about it. I've just seen Cody Greenwood post telling everyone that he just got it finished a few months ago.

Yes, his name is Brian Williams. He lives about 5 minutes from me here in Lakewood. He's got a black 96 GS with a body kit, aluminum spoiler, HRC stage 1 turbo kit, and has a Greddy FMIC but not installed yet as he's going to have the piping custom made. His first and only time so far at the track he ran low 15s but couldn't hook up out of the hole on street tires. He was running 5 psi. I talked to him a few days ago about RMDSM and he said that he'd check it out, hopefully he'll join. He had joined CoDSM but then left after a couple days.

Hopefully I can be added to the 11/10 sec list this year! Just need to get off my butt and get the '90 done soon.

[BoostedGS]

It sounds like Brian needs to get that FMIC on the car so he can turn the boost up. I was running 11psi with my sidemount before my clutch went out. It felt pretty quick, but only a timeslip can tell me for sure.

I hope to see him here on RMDSM soon. I would like to ask him what bends he needed for the FMIC.

Patrick
Boosted97GS

[DlandryTSI]

Yeah I'd be curious to know what brian will run at bandi this year. I know that the first T&T is going to be nothing but tuning cursing and swearing for me :).

Cody hurry up and get that car done so we can race :)

--Dave

[DSMxTSi]

It sounds like Brian needs to get that FMIC on the car so he can turn the boost up. I was running 11psi with my sidemount before my clutch went out. It felt pretty quick, but only a timeslip can tell me for sure.

You were running 11 psi?! All I ever heard about the 420A is not to run more than 6-7 psi on the stock internals. I know Brian just ordered a rebuild kit consisting of JE pistons (8.5:1, I think) and Eagle rods so he can turn the boost up along with the front mount. Brian also just emailed us asking about the RMDSM web address, so hopefully he'll be here soon.


Cody hurry up and get that car done so we can race

I'm trying! :) Since funds are not plentifil right now I'm planning on just going with 2G pistons (.020 over) mated to my 90 rods. Also might send the head to Fast Forward to get it milled along with 1mm over valves. While the block is out I'll probably remove the balance shafts. Then all I need is a 20G cartridge and a Fluidyne. I hope to have it put back together sometime in March, then break it in and get it dynoed.
Jenni's brother is buying the red 91 GSX from us so then I can use that money to get the '90 going again.
Then next winter I want to start on my project car. That'll be a gutted 91 GSX with a nice paint job inside and out, Ross pistons, Crower or Eagle rods, stage 4+ head from Fast Forward, some mean cams, a really big a$$ turbo and FMIC, Haltech, SX fuel system, sheet metal intake, direct port nitrous, etc, etc, etc. :D I also want to remove the pop ups and custom make a headlight setup, something like the RX7s have. It'll take a year or so to complete, but it'll be fun to work on.

Cody

[DlandryTSI]

Hey Cody let me know how much the head will run you. I still need to find another head for a good price.

--Dave

[BoostedGS]

Cody, where did you hear that you shouldn't run more than 7psi on the 420A?? The stage II kit from Hahn has a wastegate actuator that is set for 8-10psi.

I called Hahn yesterday to ask them a few questions and they were telling me about their stage III kit in development that includes a 3" turbo to tip exhaust and new fuel injectors, among other things. He said that the stage III can push 15psi on stock internals, which is about 350hp. The stage IV will require new internals though because the 420A only tested safe to 350hp. It's all on their website.

Patrick

[DSMxTSi]

I talked to Darren last week and a basic rebuild runs about $350. That includes new stock valves and retainers, milling, and I believe they clean the ports up enough to flow 10% over stock. My head is already extrude honed, but a little more porting won't hurt. :p So it'll be a little more than $350 for me with 1mm over valves. If you want a complete new head then check out Darren's website for prices, but he's got the best prices that I had found for what all he does to them.

Cody

[303Racing]

I figure I should get into this discussion. About the original topic I plan to and WILL reach 12 flat or faster.

To those of you who I have yet to meet my name is Brian Williams. I drive a 96 Gs w/ the hrc kit on it.

I am in the process of working out all the little details for my new engine. So far this is the run down. JE's 8.6:1 w/ .020 over boar, eagle rods, total seal rings, 550 cc inj, Accel dfi, votech s-fmu, holley in-tank - votech inline, crane ign., aem cam gears, CM stage 3, lightened flywheel, and still waiting to see about crane cams. With this and prob. more I will reach 12.00 or faster. I am also thinking fo moving up from the s16g to the s20g.

>Cody, where did you hear that
>You shouldn't run more than
>7psi on the 420A?? The stage II
>kit from Hahn has a wastegate
>actuator that is set for 8-10psi.

I'm not Cody but I don't think he will mind if I answer this question. It is 8-9 psi that is recommended for stage 2, (in the manual) but I don't think that one pound more is anything to worry about. The stage 2 actuator is set to 7-8psi. Some cars may see more and some may see less.

My actuator is set to 5psi but I only see 4.5lbs w/o my boost controller on. But w/ the boost controller I can see 30 before I self-destruct.


>I called Hahn yesterday to ask
>them a few questions and they
>were telling me about their stage
>III kit in development that includes
>a 3" turbo to tip exhaust and new
>fuel injectors, among other things.

I am going to be the first one in line for that 3" all the way back. I just don't know why they didn't just have the kits come w/ a new 3" downpipe. I guess thats hrc for you.


>He said that the stage III can
>push 15psi on stock internals,
>which is about 350hp. The stage IV
>will require new internals though
>because the 420A only tested safe
>to 350hp. It's all on their website.

I personally wouldn't want to run more than 10 psi on stock internals, not even on a 99 or an bran new stock engine for that matter. I thought the stock rods are only good up to 250hp?
That would be cool as hell though. Pushing 15 lbs. on a relativity high comp. engine.

I wouldn't recommend boosting more than 10psi on your engine if all you have is the kit. After 10psi a lot of other issues start to come into play and really mess thing up. For one you fuel needs to be at around 110-120 psi for that amount of air going into your engine. Of course you can drop that ridiculously high pressure in you fuel-line and go with a larger injector, but then you need to get something to manage you fuel and air, i.e. the s-afc. Even w/ the s-afc you can't go over 440cc inj because you still run way to rich at 50% lean on the s-afc. If you are going over 10psi you also need to start pulling out timing w/ something.

The number one problem w/ the NT eclipse is the ECU. The only way around the ECU problem is to get a stand alone ECU like the dfi. The only other solution to this is to run more injectors. I might give this a try. I think I am going to go w/ 4400cc in the stock fuel rail and put my stock ones in also. Of course I will need to weld in mounting positions and get a second fuel rail. You would also have to get an injector controller to control the second set of inj. I guess a bunch of neon guys are doing this and are running 400+hp


:(Sorry about being off the topic and so long.