Need a little advise on nitrous.

[303Racing]

Any recommendations on a fogger kit. I want a little something to kick start my s16g. I have no experience w/ nitrous kits. I want nothing big and nothing too expensive. Does anyone have suggestions or advice in kits?

Thanks
Brian

[Hal]

If you need to "kick start" a 16g, you have problems with your setup. I would fix those instead of trying to band-aid it with n2o.

There is NO such thing as a cheap/simple N2o system.

The cheaper it is the more inconsistent it will be (bottle heaters exist for a reason).

The more simple it is, the more unreliable/dangerous it is (fuel pressure/rpm switches exist for a reason).

Hal

[303Racing]

Oh thanks that was helpful!!!!!

>There is NO such thing as a cheap/simple N2o system.

Where in my post did I say "cheap" or "simple"?

I said nothing too expensive. If you look at all the different manufactures and the many variety of kits they make the prices range from 400ish to 2000.00ish

By nothing to big I meant none of this 125 shot stuff.
and by nothing to expensive I meant none of this 1500.00 stuff


>If you need to "kick start" a 16g, you have problems with your >setup. I would fix those instead of trying to band-aid it with >n2o.

Again it’s not a 16g it’s a s16g. Bigger turbine housing, 10cm to be exact. And yes it takes a little longer to spool up.

I am not trying to band-aid anything. My set up is fine and dandy and I was just asking a question. I would like to do something to get it to reach max boost a little quicker at the track.

>The cheaper it is the more inconsistent it will be (bottle heaters >exist for a reason).

Ok, there is nothing here helping me.

>The more simple it is, the more unreliable/dangerous it is (fuel >pressure/rpm switches exist for a reason).

Again, nothing helping me w/ my original post. I don’t know if you have something against me or if your just having a bad day. I was just asking a question because I don’t have too much experience w/ nitrous kits. I feel kinda insulted here, I didn't do anything to you and I have never met you. So my next question to you is why do you feel you need to put words into my mouth like "cheap" and "simple"? If you don't want to answer my question then don't.

[XakEp]

Dude... Chill.. Hal actually gave some good advice. Your response was the kind of thing that rang the death knell for CoDSM... He gave some common sense advice and besides.. You dont need n20 with a s16g. Trust Us. ;)

[Hal]

Well.. what does "inexpensive" mean?

To me, it means "CHEAP and SIMPLE".

Get a clue... the size of the shot has NO effect on the cost of the system.

A 50 shot fogger can be turned into a 150 shot fogger simply by changing jets.

If you bought a "Super" 16g, you now know just how "Super" it really is.

My advice.. sell it, take the money you'd spend on the n2o kit (at least $400) and the money from the sale of the "Super" 16g and by a PROPERLY set up turbo from Forced Performance.

It's that simple. Fix the PROBLEM not the SYMPTOM, you will be happier in the long run.

Now... for the "what did I do to you shit". You didn't do anything to me. I don't even know you... but you asked for advice about n2o and mentioned you have a slow spooling "Super" 16g.

You got the advice that gives the best solution to the PROBLEM.

If you don't like the advice, then fine ignore it.

Hal

[john]

Relax. If/when you ask for advise, be ready for anything & everything which may come your way...

[DlandryTSI]

Your best bet would either sell the s16g and get a regular 16g which has a 7cm? housing. Or you can send it off to someone who knows turbos such as forced performance and have a smaller exhaust housing put on.

My Red has an 8cm housing. Later this year I'm going to drop it to a 7 so I can get a quicker spool out of it.

Now here is my thoughts on the nitrous setup. N20 can either help you or blow up the motor. If you go the "inexpensive" way which includes no monitors, no safety, your more than likely to burn up the motor. *points at the neon*

Hals and my future setup are probly the most expensive you can find. But it gives the system the ability to shut down if certain problems exist.

If I were you I'd skip n20 and fix the turbo and set it up the way it should be. 10cm housings are WAY overkill for a 420A. I believe Chris (turbo neon kid) has a standard 16g on his setup.

--Dave

[303Racing]

Well, inexpensive to me is about 800.00, and now I know what your definition of it is.

Your first reply just kinda rubbed me the wrong way (as you can see) I took it as though you thought I was just looking for a quick fix. The fact is I am just weighing options and trying to do reserch on those different options. Yes, I know I could go to a different turbo and a better, or in your words "properly set up turbo". This isn't anything I haven't thought about before. Truthfully I wish I had decided to run a 4g. If I had put the amount of money I have put into my car I would have one quick car. Not that I don’t have one now but I know it would be a hell of alot quicker than I am now.

I feel I asked a fairly simple question. One person’s idea of expensive may be different than others. I really wasn't trying to say I was looking for a quick fix. I was (am) just weighing options and doing research. I was asking for an explanation on how you decide when to use a kit, what kind of kit you would use for different situations, and any comments on good or bad kits, etc, etc, etc.

I guess I could have worded the question a little better so you knew what I was asking. From now on if I post I will try and make my question very clear and precise. I ask questions on this board because I feel ALOT of people on this board know what they are talking about. And you Hal seem to be one of the front runners. Yes, I have an nt, yes I wish it were a "t" or "x".

"Get a clue” obviously I am trying. Like I said I know nothing about nitrous.

As far as totally getting rid of the set up I don’t think I will yet because I haven’t seen all that it can do yet. I will probably make that decision later this summer. I would like to see what it can do "if anything" before I sell it or change to a different set up. The turbo does take a second to reach max spool and that is the only down side I can see "so far".

About the being ready for anything/everything I feel I am. I felt that I was being put down for my question rather than given a helpful reply. But like I said I could have and should have worded the question better.

[XakEp]

Its all good.. If you do decide to sell your turbo, look me up.