CODSM~what the f**k

[sherrie91nt]

Well i had a nice little incident with Mr Steve Wells of Codsm this evening. I was asked in chat forum about the Mile High Shootout and I responded by telling codsm that Hal Landry and Rocky Mountain DSM are the ones that are putting this thing on. And i said that I told Dave I would post it in this frickin Codsm board. So what happens Steve sends me this letter telling me he isn't going to advertise for a club that gives him no respect (I have this letter and will post it later) and that I should basically quit mentioning anything about RMDSM or Dave Landry. Well guess what that ain't gonna happen. And if i get in trouble for trying to get people interested in a DSM Shootout well so be it. I would strongly suggest that anyone in Codsm watch what you say and stay if you wanna be steves bitch, i aint gonna. I am not yet done with that ass and if he bans me from CoDSM for this well thats his loss. I am quite happy here in RMDSM and very grateful to everyone on this board. Especially you Dave.

Well thats all for the moment i shall keep you updated

[ALyons]

I'm thinking of leaving CODSM also...I'm fed up with the idiocy of the club itself, the massive amounts of email is just another reason, and Steve can be quite a prick sometimes. I haven't posted anything in months.

[sherrie91nt]

I know exactly what you are saying.......its either his way or the highway, which its really to bad that he had to be like that about the Dsm Shootout. I know there are a lot of people that will go to this thing from CoDsm regardless of what he thinks. And I will continue to post shit about it, he needs to give up trying to control everyone.

ROCKY MOUNTAIN DSM RULES, BABY!!!

[sherrie91nt]

Sherrie Evans wrote:
> I would like to know if you could put up a poll (the prodding is starting
> to hurt-hehe)on the website in order to find out how many would be
> interested in participating in this event. As it is in the process of
> obtaining a date right now, so we are not sure when it will take place.
> Just would like to get a head count for right now. Thank you so very much.

Hi Sherrie,

Thanks for the poll request, but I'm not really sure what would be accomplished
by servicing a poll in this instance. The link you sent for Hals website asks
for headcount information to be sent via email so it would seem like a poll
would be redundant.

I also imagine that you're aware that the organizers of that event have
in the recent past not been very 'complimentary' of CoDSM (to put it very
mildly). Without some sort of resolution on those issues, its hard to see
how it would be advised for me to officially condone and promote their event
especially through third parties.

However, as I've tried before, I'm always willing to 'work things out', so
if Hal wishes to contact me directly, he has my phone number and I'm
available. Sound fair? I'm also cc'ing this mail to the COE members
to get their input.

Cheers!

Steve W>

[Super Talon]

to say the least its definatly steves handwriting. He uses a thesorious<BIGTIME SP> to do every thing... It was professional and he had a good point, given the past how can he actually support an event hosted by someone who has the past that they do with him. Im not how ever saying that steve is right in the statement... But i feel that it is out to all people who wish to attend and i think that to be cival we all should just agree to disagree, and leave the past in the past. Im not sure about the other member but if steve wished to come to the codsso i would accept that he too has a right to be there just like every one else, if he payed and kept his anal remarks to him self. Now im thinking that dave and steve might not feel the same way but if we show the kindness to him that we would like to recive then well you know. I hope this makes any sense because im bad at writing some times... <DONT HURT ME>

[XakEp]

James, youre ALWAYS bad at writing... At any rate...

Steve was out of line for making it a point that Hal should contact Steve directly. THe people in CODSM are not Steve's property, and as such do NOT require his permission to come to the event. The event should simply be advertised via sherrie like she tried, and that should be that.

Steve has no call for demanding that Hal (or andone else involved in thie event) treat him like one of the entities responsible for organizing the shootout. But thats just my 2 cents. Steve isnt going to be able to stop the people in the club from attending, nor keep them from hearing about it. At any rate, I'm kinda glad I'm not on the mailing list anymore.

Q

[Hal]

Let me say this.

ALL DSM owners would be welcome at the event... period, end of story.

It has been demonstrated that everyone is welcome here, even CoDSM members. It has also been demonstrated that the opposite is NOT true.

I have no issues with CoDSM... just with it's leadership.

Those issues will remain, because the leadership has refused to follow through on it's commitments to resolve the issues.

Steve can whine all he wants, but he already knows what it will take to work things out. He was told, and he agreed, but never followed through... period... end of story. There is no need for me to contact him, since the ball is in his court and has been since last September.

As always, his hands are clean and he is the injured party.

He, is of course, welcome to join here and debate the points in a public forum for all to see.

No "moderating" of posts, no behind the scenes "activity".

It won't happen.

Hal

- this message may be copied to people outside of this forum as long as it is not edited.

[Hal]

Originally posted by XakEp
people in CODSM are not Steve's property, and as such do NOT require his permission to come to the event.

You miss the point though.

CoDSM is Steve's club and it's his to control as he see's fit. The leadership is not elected and people who are sanctioned have no recourse.

If he chooses to sanction people for discussing or attending the event, that is his "right".

The COE has no control (as has been proved in the past), and Steve will do as he sees fit.

It's "go along" or "get out".

Hal

[hoffman]

and once again Steve proves himself to be a jackass, for lack of a better word.

how do you make a man like him understand this isn't a club thing, its a car thing? if you have a DSM you bring it and run it. its not a club clash, or a battle. it's open to anyone that can drive to golden, Co.

ao what happens when someone posts there is an SCCA rally one weekend? will steve get pissed to? because its something outside his control.

[V8SpankR]

I joined once and then when they re-did the board I just lost interest and never reupped and it kinda had too much of a "gang" feel and that we had to worship DSMs and hate Hondas. (which we do on this board anyway;);) )

I do get along with alot of CODSM but a few others atitudes really turned me off.:(

[Erron Spalsbury]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hal
[B]Let me say this.

ALL DSM owners would be welcome at the event... period, end of story.

And THAT is what makes this club soooooo different. Many different people, mods, opinions, and they are all welcome. You guys rock and roll!!!

Erron S.
Spalsbury Racing Camp:p

[XakEp]

Its about the cars. Always has been , always will be.

[DlandryTSI]

I just sent an e-mail to the "COE" list explaining what i see happening and how I feel about it. Will it change anything? I doubt it.

Also I told them if they wish to come and chat about the subject to do so. And that I'm not going to be replying to e-mails all night long.

This is making me really disgusted to know how codsm is run. We extend an invitation to an possible event and we get treated like crap. Ok I'm done venting :)


--Dave

[TalonRacer]

It seems there is a lot being read into the reply Sherrie got. I personally didn't find anything wrong with it and it was pretty logical. Why would Steve support something that has been touted as a RMDSM event? Especially when members of this club have gone out of their way to slam CoDSM membership (in general) on other boards? With so much "bad blood" between the Landry's and Steve what did you expect would happen Sherrie?
Everyone wants to be "in control". I think they should check their egos at the door and realize all these are just car clubs....


Shea
'97 Talon TSi AWD
'89 Conquest TSi

PS Just for you Paul....Honduh's suck :)

[DlandryTSI]

We didn't ask for support. We asked if anyone would be interested in attending.

--Dave

[TalonRacer]

She asked to use CoDSM web space (the poll part anyway) to promote what is widely known to be a RMDSM event. That is support (albeit minimal) but still support/advertising/recognition of said event.
Not saying it's right, just pointing out some facts, as I see them.

Shea
'97 Talon TSi AWD
'89 Conquest TSi

[sherrie91nt]

I could care less if Steve supported the event or not. It wasn't a question of wanting his support, it was a question of the members of the clubs option to have a chance to see what we at RMDSM are doing and to let everyone know that Dave and Hal were putting this thing together. I think you are missing the point here Shea, as i should not have been brought into the middle of this just because i am friends with Dave and in his club. I was not on Codsm when whatever happened with Steve and the Landry's happended so how the hell was I to know....it's not like Dave has ever told me what happened, it's just not something we have ever discussed. And now there is all this drama, boo hoo!! If people on CoDsm want to say anything we must watch what we say and who we mention...that's BS...if i decide to say Dave's name in a sentence i have to worry if i am gonna be moderated or banned....what hell ever happened to free speech....don't get me wrong now before this incident i enjoyed being a part of codsm and i have a lot of friends now thanx to that....but here lately i am not so sure about the whole deal.......

[sherrie91nt]

oh and now lets try make me out to be the bad person here....not gonna happen shea....yeah I asked to put a poll up so what, i wanted to see how many members of codsm were interested in going. Yes me personally and once again i am an ass for that.....Unlike Codsm i don't need Dave permission to speak my mind...thank you very much.

[Hal]

Sherrie... you miss the point of the CoDSM list.

It is a private list, and you're allowed access to it at the pleasure of the list owner. There is no freedom of speech issue.

The real issue is whether it's appropriate to be in fear of being sanctioned for your relationship with people outside of the list.

I don't think it's fair, but who ever said life was fair?

Now... let's take an objective comparison.

Steve doesn't want to "support" the event, that's fine... it's his club.

Now, take a look at the thread in these forums about the DSM gathering. Someone mentioned that it is a CoDSM event. No one here even batted an eyebrow at that.

See the difference in attitude :)

David and I have issues (albeit different ones) with Steve, but that doesn't mean we can't seperate those from CoDSM itself.

Hal

[sherrie91nt]

Yes Hal I do understand what you are saying......
Maybe i shouldn't have gone off here about that, maybe I shoulda we'll never know...but at least I know that even though did, I don't have to fear that i am going to be banned from here......:eek:

[Hal]

No one is going to get banned for expressing an opinion or not being in agreement with the "administration".

Only "trolls" and Louie Arnold will get the boot.

Hal

[sherrie91nt]

LOL...that's cute Hal!

[sherrie91nt]

Funny thing happened.....I haven't recieved any email from the list since about hhhmmm 5 or 6 pm.....have i been banned.. or maybe nobody is online emailing anything....yeah thats it!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[V8SpankR]

Have they adopted the COSR guidelines?:rolleyes:

[Hal]

Sherrie,

Did you find out what was happening?

Hal

[sherrie91nt]

Nope, sure haven't.....i am on my way to Boulder to pick up car part right now so i am sure we will know something by the time I get back later this afternoon. If I still have no email, I will find out why. Laters! :cool:

[TalonRacer]

Originally posted by sherrie91nt
oh and now lets try make me out to be the bad person here....not gonna happen shea....yeah I asked to put a poll up so what, i wanted to see how many members of codsm were interested in going. Yes me personally and once again i am an ass for that.....Unlike Codsm i don't need Dave permission to speak my mind...thank you very much.

Sherrie, you apparently have a tendency to read a lot into what is written. I wasn't trying to make you out to be a bad person (I don't even know where you got that from) and I never said you were an ass. I was simply stating a different view point.
If you want to get all bent out of shape because I chose a different side then so be it.
You asked Steve to promote an event that CODSM was not invited to participate in (yes, I know all DSM owners are welcome but the club hasn't, and probably won't be, "officially" invited). He said no. So what's the issue? Drama aside, there's no reason to raise such a fuss.

Once again, IMO

Shea
'97 Talon TSi AWD
'89 Conquest TSi

[DlandryTSI]

Colorado DSM was invited to this event. End of story. The fact of the matter is they don't wish to have sherrie advertise it on their e-mail lists because of me and hal's issue with the codsm leadership.

This was a friendly invitation for all of their members. I would hate to tell everyone on codsm that no one was invited becuase 1 individual decided no because of the past.

--Dave

[Hal]

So following your logic, SCCA should officially invite CoDsm to it's events before any mention of SCCA events could take place on the CoDSM list or web site?

That's funny. You know (as well as I) that Steve is being petty (again). Look at what happend when I changed the CAPs and Tech Manual site to reflect an RMDsm affiliation... someone removed the link from the co.dsm.org web site. I know this, because someone asked me about it... I sent them off to talk to the CoDsm leadership. No clue as to what the outcome was... and it doesn't matter (to me).

I didn't mind CoDsm members getting the stuff, but no way it was going to remain CoDsm (in name) if CoDsm isn't footing the bill for it.

All DSM owners will be welcome to participate in the event, regardless of club affiliation.

If CoDSM leadership is going to sanction it's membership for supporting the event, well... that's a shame.

There may be some "perks" for RMDsm members, but I haven't decided for sure on that.

Hal

[TalonRacer]

Not to get into a symantic arguement over it guys, but. What I was saying was that Dave and/or Hal, being the owners/operators of RMDSM did not call or email Steve/COE and extend an official invitation to join the shootout (as far as I know). That is very different (at least from my POV) then saying "hey, everyone with a DSM is invited (and by default the CODSM membership)".

Shea
'97 Talon TSi AWD
'89 Conquest TSi

PS If it really is such a big deal I can post on CODSM's list and link to any website you want to promote this event. I could care less about being banned, I'm just sick of the drama.

[hoffman]

here here. damn all teh bullshit, lets just race. aslong as the DSM community is aware of a "Mile High Shootout", who cares what clubs come and which ones don't.

like i said, its not a club clash. i'm sure Hal with all his hard work in trying to establish this, isn't looking at making it one. if i can make it, i'm going to represent me, the DSM owner/operator, not club affiliate.

as long as the membership of CODSM knows about it, they can make up their own minds about whether or not to attend.

-is ignorance bliss?

[Hal]

Shea,

Let's just drop the issue. The word is out, and people know where to look for information and who to contact.

Hal

[TalonRacer]

Originally posted by Hal
Shea,

Let's just drop the issue. The word is out, and people know where to look for information and who to contact.

Hal

Will do :)
...oh wait, am I being censored??!!! j/k

Shea
'97 Talon TSi AWD
'89 Conquest TSi

[DlandryTSI]

Hehe I guess I could turn on the bad french filtering ;)

--Dave

[Erron Spalsbury]

Perks? PERKS? O...ME!...ME!...ME!
(jumping up and down with hand in the air)

:D

Erron S.

[Hal]

Cool!

Ok... the winner of the bracket division gets Erron for a day!

Hal

[Erron Spalsbury]

WOOOOOHOOOOO!! I knew i'd get somethin'! :D

Erron S.

[XakEp]

Ha. And another for charity, Ha.

No. Not for all the tea in China. Not for all the 'roids in Pro Baseball. Not for all the NOS in Bret Rau's car. If I'm getting a perk, I'd better get a PERK. Not a punishment.

;)

[DlandryTSI]

Originally posted by Hal
Cool!

Ok... the winner of the bracket division gets Erron for a day!

Hal

Sherrie you'd better get to practicing if you want Erron for a day ;)

--Dave

[sherrie91nt]

Well since I can't have you for a day Dave, I guess Aaron will do since I do have a lot of work that I need done on my cars.....hehe!:p :eek:

[XakEp]

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[sherrie91nt]

Originally posted by Hal
Sherrie,

Did you find out what was happening?

Hal

All is fine in CoDsm land.....emails coming thru, nothing said...:D

[Erron Spalsbury]

Sweet!!
Go Sherrie, GO!!!

Erron S. (fastest wrench in the west)

[sherrie91nt]

Ok so let the practicing begin....also I amost have the GSX done...:D ...look out Erron....;)

[dgsx1997]

Put the gloves down and go at it... I have been waiting for this one for a real long time. I don't care much for codsm's admin., but it does give me something to read during work. :)

Donovan:rolleyes:

[sherrie91nt]

wow someone actually read and replied to this post from oh so long ago.....sorry had to laugh at this one, I forgot all about it....:o

[Super Talon]

for the sake of all thats holy, i think that this toppic should be locked so that no one reads somthing and goes off on a tangent and the entire thing flares up again... things that are dead should be dead...

[Super Talon]

for the sake of all thats holy, i think that this toppic should be locked so that no one reads somthing and goes off on a tangent and the entire thing flares up again... things that are dead should be dead...

[sherrie91nt]

I counldn't agree with you more James!!!!

Dave please lock this....:eek:

Thanks

[BoostedGS]

Locked.