t-25 or 14b?

[OneSlowEclipse]

What is the difference?

I realize that the 14b is an upgrade from a t-25, but why? Will a
T-25 work well for what I am wanting?

Sorry for stupid questions, I just want to understand everything fully so I can make an educated decision ;)

[tekky]

whatcha looking for?

T-25 = fast as hell spool up but dwindling top end (wont pull very hard once you start approaching 5+k range (100-120 takes forever)

14B = slightly slower spool, more air, stronger power band that pulls harder and farther.... small step up but significant improvement in the length of powerband from all the sources I've seen, said to pull hard well past the T-25 drop points

[OneSlowEclipse]

Well first of all I am only looking to run about 5-6 psi. Maybe up to 8. Its for my NT so I will be going from nothing to something, I probably won't notice if the t-25 falls up a bit short.

So being as this will be my first boosted car, it really doesn't need to be special. If I want to boost any higher than 8psi then I will have to rebuild the block, and at that point I would probably want a bigger turbo anyway. I honestly don't know if I will ever get to that point. Odds are I will trash the block at some point, but hopefully not in the immediate future.

[tekky]

for lower psi application id say T-25, you cant beat the spool up in those things... and they do still kick in hard compared to NA or VTECH :P

[303Racing]

Go w/ a 14b Jason!

14b and 9.6:1 compression should make a nice street setup for your car. 8 lbs on that compression you could run high 14's.
I know you don't care but just so you kinda get a ball park figure of an et w/ that setup.

[OneSlowEclipse]

Its not really that I don't care, I just don't know what a 14 second car feels like compared to a 18 second car. Never have driven at the track I have no reference point. Maybe once I have been to the track and I can get a feel for it then 1/4 mile time will mean something to me.

The turbo differences is something I have a hard time grasping too. I don't know what a t-25 feels like compared to a 14b or 16g. So I will just take your word for it. I just want to understand why I should do specific things before I do them.

[BoostedGS]

The difference between an 18 second car and a 14 second car is HUGE!! I know because my GS was NA for 3 years (if you don't count the nitrous) before I finally turbocharged it. The difference is unbelievable!

Personally, I think either turbo would work if you're just trying to make the car for fun to drive and don't have any specific goals for 1/4 mile.

[Dallas J]

I have a T-25 forsale. It has 56k miles on it, and the boost was never turned up. I bought the car and put my B16g in before I got the boost controller.

Im asking only $100 for it. It has no shaft play and spooled just like a T-25 should :cool:

-Dallas J

[OneSlowEclipse]

Originally posted by Dallas J
I have a T-25 forsale. It has 56k miles on it, and the boost was never turned up. I bought the car and put my B16g in before I got the boost controller.

Im asking only $100 for it. It has no shaft play and spooled just like a T-25 should :cool:

-Dallas J

Awesome... I will take it! I can meet you in the springs one weekend if you want, just let me know when you are free. Thanks!

[Dallas J]

Cool man, This weekend will be the best cause I wont be home for the next 2 or 3 weekends. Patrick just asked if you still wanted to sell those motor mounts inserts too.

Give me a call @ 719-201-6781

-Dallas J

[OneSlowEclipse]

I had forgotten about those inserts, they are still on the car... :eek: I'm probably going to leave them in, its more of a pain to get them out then 10 bucks is worth, sorry Patrick :(

But the good news is they are only 20 bucks new anyway! I'll give you a call here in a little bit Dallas.

[303Racing]

Well that sounds like a great deal Jason.

Should be fun w/ the quick spool and higher compression.

[dougs90gsx]

What would you have to do to switch from NA to Turbo? I have never seen it done besides on a honda... that just seems like a long hard project. Just buy a 1G turbo AWD!!

[OneSlowEclipse]

Its actually not that hard, the hardest part is finding a place to make me a downpipe. I am doing it for a little over a grand

[dougs90gsx]

I guess that is not 'that" bad I thought it would be worse. How about the oil and coolant lines? Are they earsy to fabricate?

[OneSlowEclipse]

The lines are fairly easy, and relatively cheap depending on what kind of lines you get of course. I don't have mine yet, I am waiting on more parts(which should be here tomorrow!! :D ) to see what kind of fittings I need exactly. I should have this all done by the middle of next month.

[dougs90gsx]

Thats cool you will just have to let me know how all goes because the wifey has a NT and I might want to do that... we shall see

[303Racing]

>Just buy a 1G turbo AWD!!

HAHAHAHAHA...I was wondering when someone would say that.

As for as oil lines and water lines all he has to do is get a few t's and L's along w/ some braided steel line and he is set. Install wise one of the easier things to do.

I told you Jason I can do the downpipe stuff but you will have to bring the car over.

Let me know and I will order some stuff for you...you will only pay cost.

[XakEp]

admit it, youre doing this to compete with me. Heh.. jk... Be cool when that sweet looker of yours is FAST.

And FYI - I'm heading into 12s next season...

[OneSlowEclipse]

You got mail Brian...

"admit it, youre doing this to compete with me. Heh.. jk... Be cool when that sweet looker of yours is FAST. "

Well I don't know about FAST, but it will be quicker than stock for sure. I am honestly not trying to compete with anyone or anything. I just want my car to be fastER.

LOL... I expeceted to hear that "just buy a 1g awd" thing a lot sooner than that. It just goes to show you that boosting a 2gnt is becoming accepted as a regular thing to do.

[dougs90gsx]

Well why not the hondas are doing it, I guess on a larger scale but it does seem to be working I just don't think it is worth all the time and effort... not trying to take anything away from you and that is cool that you are doing it but man that is a lot of work for a little horsepower.. well quiet a few horsepower i suppose...

To each his own...

[v413nc3]

Uhm... I believe that your prices don't take into consideration a great deal of factors. Such as Fuel pressure regulation, compression ratio, and a few other major items... ask Patrik all about it...

[OneSlowEclipse]

Patricks setup has nothing to do with mine, and I have everything covered. I don't need lower compresion pistons because I am not boosting that high yet. So next time you try to tell me I don't know what I am doing try to get the facts straight ;)

[XakEp]

the 420A block is quite decent when built right. It has alot of potential.

[v413nc3]

Uhm, I didn't tell you that you didn't. I made a point that you might have unforseen difficulties. But hey, if you want a twig up your butt, go for it, see if I care.

And the comment was based on the fact that I've seen some of those nasty unforseen problems pop up... Either way it goes, I wish you luck with your $1000 NT to T project. If you can get it all done for that cheap more power to ya. Especially if you're doing it w/out a hahn kit, which IMHO sucks...

[OneSlowEclipse]

Well we will see if it all works out. And I didn't say 1000, I said a little over a grand, like 1300 to be exact. I bought a lot of parts new instead of used, didn't want to have to worry about parts not working. To be honest the only difference between most of the kits out there is the turbo you use (and manifold of course) Add another 800 bucks for a s16g and a couple hundred more than what I paid for mine and my kit is almost exactly like a hahn kit. (only better :cool:

Didn't mean to sound rude earlier, it just felt like you were implying that I was just like another kid asking "can I swap a 4g63 into my non turbo car??" While my kit may not be the best out there, nor will my car be the fastest but its what I wanted to do and that is whats important.

[303Racing]

>the 420A block is quite decent
>when built right. It has a lot of potential.

Sure is, more than a few 9 second 900+hp 420a's out their.

As far as his fuel management he bought a new Vortech S-FMU which IMO is a pretty damn solid FPR. Especially when he is only going to boost 6-8psi.

>Especially if you're doing it w/out a
>Hahn kit, which IMHO sucks...

How did you come up w/ that opinion?

I have my own opinion about it but I was just curious why you feel that way?

Thanks
Brian