Fmic

[b_diddy]

ok, well its about that time for me to order my front mount intercooler, and i need some input. I originally was gonna make it simple and do the greddy big kit. however, through reasearch and talking with other people, i have learned that the spearco cores outperforme greddy by a longshot. any input on this is greatly welcome. so, i found a guy i wanted to buy mine from, and decided most likely on a 20x10x3 core. cost is 400$. now, i know itll take some work to mount it, but it shouldnt be overly hard, right? next is the issue of piping. i wanted to try and see if any site could just sell me a piping kit, no luck. i now have turned to local weld shops that do aluminum work. ive found a few that have said they will make my piping for me, ill just have to find out exactly what bends and lengths, another place said i could bring it in, mounted, and theyd do the work. i also thought i would just orderr the manderal bent elbows once the bend angles are figured out. what are the oppinions on this? lastly, i also was "kinda" considering a 31x9.5x3.5 "race" spearco core. but my friend and dsm mentor said itd require to much cutting and be rediculasly hard to mount. also, he said i dont need that much. but this core is only 50$ more than the original one i was thinking of, so, its still a possibility.

alright, any input is appreciated, personal opinions, and thoughts to my comments. thanks for the help!!

~Brock

[hoffman]

you should run the greddy with the b28. FP ran their test car at 11.8 on a the greddy. if you call robert young he'll tell you greddy. thats what i run on the big28. its what mandy runs on the big28. its what 90% of the country runs on the b28.

there maybe a reason for it.

[b_diddy]

good point, cant argue with that.

[hoffman]

i don't want to change your mind for you. but this is what "the" guy that designed the b28 recommends to run with it. and i value roberts word. so thats what i based my decision of off.

[mitchel63]

However....the B28 seems like a turbo that you get because the T25 sucks but you are not ready for a big turbo yet. Are you really planning on running the B28 forever? I am running a little bit larger FMIC with my B28 because sometime soon I plan on running a larger turbo.

Mitch

[v413nc3]

I disagree with Hoff on this one. The Big G'reddy is garbage. It's piping is a convoluted mess. Spend your money on a better setup. Making custom piping is easy, and it doesn't have to be done out of aluminum it can be done out of mandrel bent 14 or 16ga mild steel or stainless... whatever is easiest and "cheapest" to come by. Mandy herself has stated that she would rather have a few different FMIC's but she got a good deal on the G'reddy... her choice wasn't because it was good, it was because it was cost effective. The way that the pipe runs accross the top to me is just a horridly bad idea. I also agree with the fact that you should get a FMIC you can grow into... so many people piss money away getting the midgrade stuff just to resell it later and get something different. Stop and get an idea of what you want your car to be and what you want it to do. After that you'll know what you want to do with it and you'll be able to answer your own FMIC questions :) If you want performance, IRC, Darkside... places that generally use the spearco 16 core, which is a big damn core. Hal I know has one with a custom setup, and I have one. They are THE intercooler to grow into, unless your name is rob and you feel like attaching a Skyline FMIC to your DSM. LOL

[phastalon]

robs 20g has some growing to do;)

[hoffman]

nicely put jake. but i know as far as my goals, i dont plan on going for a bigger turbo. this IS my setup. if i wanted a 20g, i'd have bought that.

if i was going to run an fp gt3065, yeah spearco would be a better choice.

[v413nc3]

I also agree with your points Hoff :) I am just not a personal fan of the g'reddy... I think my largest problem is the routing of its pipes...

[hoffman]

true, but if you have the time you could get a new end tank and redo the pipes. even the apexi core is routed that way. our cars suck.

[ph3r3d]

go with the spearco and "grow" into it...

as for shops i think the easiest thing to do is to take it to the shop that will make the pipes for you while the FMIC is mounted on the car.. so when you go and put it on there is no missing link, or parts.. etc etc..

[b_diddy]

well, im lookin to step up sooner or later, maybe next year to a bigger turbo, so i guess, a spearco core and grow into it?

[hoffman]

yeah. if you already have plans for an upgrade, sure go for the gold. you could saw off the 90* elbow on the b28 so your new fmic will bolt up like the larger turbos (20g, t3s, etc).

i know FP, buschur, RRE, IRC all use spearcos. i believe RRE can make you one or send you the core and tanks cheaper than anyone. talk to mike or ty over there.

good luck

[b_diddy]

Originally posted by hoffmangsx
yeah. if you already have plans for an upgrade, sure go for the gold. you could saw off the 90* elbow on the b28 so your new fmic will bolt up like the larger turbos (20g, t3s, etc).

i know FP, buschur, RRE, IRC all use spearcos. i believe RRE can make you one or send you the core and tanks cheaper than anyone. talk to mike or ty over there.

good luck

i didnt know they did that, i will get in touch with them. thank you very much and everyone else for the help and info :)

~Brock

[hoffman]

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/intercoolers.htm

[v413nc3]

check into the 216 core, I'm not sure if RRE carries them but I'm pretty sure they can order them.

[b_diddy]

okay, another question. which is better, a vertical flowing ic, or side to side. advantages to each, which you recomend. thank you.

~Brock

[hoffman]

heres what i know about the differences.

top/bottom=lower pressure drop

side/side=better cooling

after doing alot for reading and talking to people i have to agree that side/side is the better all around set up. think about it. how many purpose built dsms run top/bottom. none that i know of. the only reason i could see a top/bottom is if your building a straight daily driver. its more cost effective, it does cool the air charge, not as big as most side/side fmics. but if you going to race, get a side/side. i don't see any problems with the greddy for apexi kits. but if i was made of money, i would go with a nice spearco.