starion FMIC

[ph3r3d]

anyone have one? how has it been working out for you? i got one lined up thats going on my car in the near future, just wanted a little feedback so i know what to expect.

thanks

[V8SpankR]

Not much better than the stock IC but should combat heat soak a little better but IMO just save for a real front mount. I really doubt you notice much of a gain at the strip.

[nefkntym]

it depends if you chop the discharge tubes off and change and weld on 2.5"s it will be ok. the difference over the 1g side mount is noticeable but not earth shattering. i noticed in your profile you have a 2.3 listed. you are probably running/or will run a large turbo. with that in mind i would go with indy race core setup or anything homedone with a good size spearco core. if you are determined to run something cheap get a mkiv supra sidemount. they are proven by the supra folk to be able to sustain some good hp numbers. thats if you havent already got the starquest intercooler or you can get it at crackhead prices. a modded starquest is an improvement over the 1g but it will be more work in the long run. just my $.02

[KeltonDSMer]

Save 500 bucks and buy a BIG Sidemount from DEJON. The core is fat and flows 400+ WHP worth of air at a very reasonable pressure drop. It fits in the stock location, only a few changes are needed to install it. This makes IC plumbing a simple task as well. The core is bigger than some of the smaller Spearco front mounts and no one is able to tell how fast you really are. I'm going to use one with a water sprayer set to activate at a couple PSI below full boost so I know it's cooling the air enough.
I love sleepers and if you want speed without anyone knowing, this is a great investment.

[v413nc3]

My god man you're a walking talking add for Dejon

[DlandryTSI]

I'm personally not a fan of SMIC upgrades. If you want to eliminate heat soak get an FMIC.

--Dave

[v413nc3]

My IC is too small :'(

[KeltonDSMer]

Hey, I just dicovered Dejon tools and happen to like their products. When I'm giving other people my opinions, you should shut the fuck up and accept mine, and maybe throw in what you think. I'm a broke ass teen and yes, I would like to buy a Indy Race Core or Bucshur FMIC, but most of us don't have 1500 dollars necessary to do so. I was simply giving someone a cost effective alternative to what others thought. If this guy is asking about putting a 15 year old IC from a starion onto his ride, I'm thinking a cost effective alternative is what he is looking for. Dan Cokic (sp.?) has a faster ride than anyone here so I know his parts can't all shitty, (although I didn't notice any dejon parts on his USSC car).
Anytime I come to a forum, I have people like you talking shit that don't even understand the knowledge packed into my odd mind. I come home after my classes and get right on the internet to learn about these cars. Please, just don't talk shit to someone that you don't know.

[BoostedGS]

Listen noob, you need to calm down. v413nc3 just made a joke because you talked Dejon up so much in your post, and Dave just stated his opinion of SMIC vs FMIC. Don't get your panties in a twist because everyone doesn't agree with you.

And if you want to get techincal, Ph3r3d asked about opinions on the Starion FMIC, not about what intercooler YOU think he should go with.

[Gaijin]

Originally posted by KeltonDSMer
Hey, I just dicovered Dejon tools and happen to like their products. When I'm giving other people my opinions, you should shut the fuck up and accept mine, and maybe throw in what you think. I'm a broke ass teen and yes, I would like to buy a Indy Race Core or Bucshur FMIC, but most of us don't have 1500 dollars necessary to do so. I was simply giving someone a cost effective alternative to what others thought. If this guy is asking about putting a 15 year old IC from a starion onto his ride, I'm thinking a cost effective alternative is what he is looking for. Dan Cokic (sp.?) has a faster ride than anyone here so I know his parts can't all shitty, (although I didn't notice any dejon parts on his USSC car).
Anytime I come to a forum, I have people like you talking shit that don't even understand the knowledge packed into my odd mind. I come home after my classes and get right on the internet to learn about these cars. Please, just don't talk shit to someone that you don't know.
A little sensitive arent we? :rolleyes:

[KeltonDSMer]

First of all, I didn't snap back at Dave; I think everyone owes him something for just bringing his profound knowledge to us the ignorant. I'm just tired of people like v413nc3 assuming I'm a deuche bag because I wrote two replies about Dejon's SMICs. In all fairness, I never started an argument nor would I intend to do so. I was simply just giving my two cents to the author of this post, who, if is asking about a starion IC, obviously doesn't have all sorts of money.
Hey, lets try to help this guy out instead of looking back at bullshit technicalities of what was said in previous replies. I think that it is completely rediculous that so much time/energy was waisted on this guy's thred about me being a little edgey, would everyone not agree? This type of crap is why I leave forums because people loose the point. Not one reply except for Dave's has been aimed towards helping this guy since I wrote my origial reply, that is just sad. Let's focus on the original question stated; start a new thred if you think I'm a peice of shit, just don't get in the way of helping people w/ legitimate problems.

[Gaijin]

A lot of the reasons I leave forums is because some certain people don't have a sense of humor and can't take a joke:rolleyes:

Sorry to go off topic but this stuff really bugs me.

If it were my money, I would save for a bit and get the FMIC. One lesson that I've gone by...spend your money once...ie don't buy something that will do for now and then upgrade later, it's a waste of money in my opinion. Try to figure out what kinda power you want to be pushing then buy the parts that'll get you there.

[DlandryTSI]

Not many people up here are running the starions but like Milo said. Spend your money once and do it right.

--Dave

[Hal]

Here is my take on it.

You've sunk the cash into a 2.3, so save a little longer and get a good 216 core FMIC.

The Starion is just too small, and you will spend more money to upgrade it later.

As far as a large SMIC goes, if your goal is within the limits of the unit then get one. If not, again you will be spending more money later to upgrade it.

Personally I wouldn't spend the money on either one.

Hal

...400 whp USED to be impressive

[v413nc3]

First off, it was THREE threads that you mentioned Dejon in... I'd like to point out that none of us are that fucking stupid, we all know about Dave Johnson and the products he sells. I run a great deal of his stuff on MY CAR. Secondly, I wasn't talking shit moron, I was making a joke. Third get a fucking life. Fourth I don't think I'm gonna like you for the next 20 seconds... oops I'm over it... Damn that didn't last long. Fifth, awww, you're smart... that's nice, oh I'm sorry I misplaced the four ounces of "I give a shit" I get every day to hand out to guys like you who blow up and are too damn touchy for their own good. Get a sense of humor for christ sake.


Oh, and I agree, if you are going to get a FMIC get a real one, you're going to outgrow the Starion too damn fast for it to be worth while. From what I remember of their flow comparissons it would be smarter to either get a large SMIC and try to save up some cash or just deal with heat soak for a lil while so you can get a Darkside, IRC, TLS, DJT or some other such huge ass FMIC. I realize you want it because FMIC's are just plain fucking sexy but honestly unless you can get it cheaper than an upgraded SMIC don't waste the money.

[ph3r3d]

well, i didnt have 800 to spend on an name brand FMIC... so thats why i asked about the starion, because a friend had one, and i was looking at it.

[DlandryTSI]

Save up and get a real FMIC kit/core

--Dave

[KeltonDSMer]

If you are planning on furthur modding the car, definately by a used FM core and just have a muffler shop build you brackets and piping. If you have an intake temp sensor, look for where it is high. If you are pumping hot air just putting around, you might just want the front mount to dissapate the extra heat; but if your temps are just high at WOT, I'd put the time/effort into a water sprayer. Many people have great success with this on ICs with less than optimum cooling area. If you could set a pressure trigger that would set it off a couple psi below your set boost, it would be a very cheap way to cool your intake. I assume you are probably getting hot around town though because the Starion IC is about the same volume stock, but it has way more cooling surface area to battle heat soak.

Thanks v413nc3; I am glad that we can all count. Those steps really laid it out for me too....I mean come on man. If 15 fucking years old and don't need you responding to my replies like that. It seems like I'm being the reasonable one here. I have been obsesed with DSMs since I was 8 when my bro bought a really modded 93 awd; I don't come here because I don't have anything to do, I just want to further expand my knowledge on the subject.

Whatever, I give up on this thred, there is no reason to continue posting on it. I'm just going to go smoke a fatty of some dank, Boulder Crohnic.:p

[BoostedGS]

A lot of the guys on the 2gNT list with turbos on their 420a's opt to go with the Starion FMIC. After comparing, they have realized that the upgraded SMIC that Hahn Racecraft sells works better for cooling. With your mod list it really would be worth it to save up and get a sizeable FMIC.


Hey, lets try to help this guy out instead of looking back at bullshit technicalities of what was said in previous replies. I think that it is completely rediculous that so much time/energy was waisted on this guy's thred about me being a little edgey, would everyone not agree?

Oh, and Kelton......don't tell me that I should be posting on topic instead of your dumbass rant. I'm an admin, it's my job to keep the content under control. And I was the first person to post about your hissy fit. :cool:

[KeltonDSMer]

I wasn't telling anyone specifically to do anything, I just think it is bullshit that everyone keeps going on about such a small matter. I forgot about this crap entirely untill I read antother post telling me I need to cool down and stop ranting. I respect all you guys to the fullest, why do I just get non-constructive criticizm everytime I reply to a post? Considering I'm only 15, maybe instead of telling me I'm ignorant, everyone could very easily point out my follies and help me learn from my mistakes.
Since I know everyone reads this thred anyway: Has anyone given some thought to my turbos and altitude post, or is that just incoherent rambling too?
I'm here to expand my knowledge before I go to get a degree......not to get into fights.

[XakEp]

Originally posted by Hal
Here is my take on it.

You've sunk the cash into a 2.3, so save a little longer and get a good 216 core FMIC.

The Starion is just too small, and you will spend more money to upgrade it later.

As far as a large SMIC goes, if your goal is within the limits of the unit then get one. If not, again you will be spending more money later to upgrade it.

Personally I wouldn't spend the money on either one.

Hal

...400 whp USED to be impressive

Quoted for truth